[QUOTE=zuma]
Blaster Master, sorry to get out of game on you, but REALLY.
Are you really that smart? A little humility would do some good.
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You know, as well as I do, that it’s not a comment saying that I’m SO smart, it’s that, if I can figure something out, it’s a safe bet that the scum can too. Silly zuma, this doesn’t become you at all.
[QUOTE=zuma]
Self-protecting doctors are really a SDMB thing. Normally they don’t self-protect. What bugs me is that you want to speculate on who Queen was protecting. If you’re speculating on a specific role, fine. But let’s not speculate on who she might or might not have been protecting.
Really let’s lay it all out there. Are you asking who you think she thought the cop was?
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Where exactly do you get this information? AFAIK, it’s SOP to self-protect until the doctor has someone more valuable to protect. I’ll expect either some good reasoning, or a cite from you on this one.
[QUOTE=zuma]
Because trying to figure out who QOT was protecting is not anything we should be doing. Who do you think QOT was protecting? The cop. And who will benefit from this? The scum. That’s obvious, isn’t it?
Frankly, I’m not going down this road any longer.
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This reasoning is flawed. I agree that trying to figure out who she protected is pointless, but even if we did follow it and could figure it out, all we’d know is who she thought was the doctor not necessarily who IS the doctor. This is quite a stretch, even for you. So, sure, it doesn’t accomplish anything, but throwing suspicion around on that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
[QUOTE=peekercpa]
I just to go with my gut. During the night the scum could have taken out a more experienced player. I know that this is a WIFOM proposition but …
If I take n (the number of players) and multiply that by the probability that someome is scum (x). If you take that number and take the square root of** the circumfrence of my asshole** truth will be obtained.
Blaster Master can, of course put this in a more formal notation.
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That would be one hellaciously large number. :dubious:
[QUOTE=pedescribe]
What does this mean. Note that the post before it was
, in other words, completly unrelated, and after was
After that, zuma posted twice, then peekercpa posted once, then zuma posted twice again. And he hasn’t posted since (although that might not mean too much).
But that first one:
I can’t possibly decipher it…it’s only day two, so it’s not like town is desperate, and why would zuma need to save us? Unless…unless this is the legendary “accedentally posted to the wrong board” scum slip!
I…I’m really confuzulled. I…I can’t figure out what else it could possibly mean. Could someone please explain this? Untill then, I’m switching my vote.
Unvote MadTheSwine
Vote zuma
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Actually, that’s pretty much par for the course for zuma. I suppose he may be doing it especially because I am the one who subbed in for him in the off-board Batman game, so, I think he’s just having a little bit of fun here. Either way, I do think zuma should explain what he means, cause being crazy isn’t an excuse to flood us with nonsense.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
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Where exactly do you get this information? AFAIK, it’s SOP to self-protect until the doctor has someone more valuable to protect. I’ll expect either some good reasoning, or a cite from you on this one.
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My post is my cite (I’ve been waiting years to use that one).
Actually a game or two on mafiascum, I remember the doc could not self-protect, which is why I brought this up as a possibility. Which is why I think it’s not unreasonable that Queen was not allowed to self-protect. I may be misremembering, but I am pretty sure over there SOP is that the doc can’t self-protect. What I was getting at, was that I don’t think it’s a good idea to speculate on who, in particular, queen may have been protecting.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Actually, that’s pretty much par for the course for zuma. I suppose he may be doing it especially because I am the one who subbed in for him in the off-board Batman game, so, I think he’s just having a little bit of fun here. Either way, I do think zuma should explain what he means, cause being crazy isn’t an excuse to flood us with nonsense.
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You know exactly what it means. I’ve lost every fucking game I’ve played and have grown frustrated with it, yet I soldier on. This is OOG shit. And I get frustrated yet again when we lose the doc on day 1.
And frankly, BM if you’re still pissed about M5, that does not become you, either.
OK, enough meta shit. All I was doing was bringing up the fact that pedescribe thought speculating on who Queen was protecting was a bad idea. I think we can all agree on that.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
This reasoning is flawed. I agree that trying to figure out who she protected is pointless, but even if we did follow it and could figure it out, all we’d know is who she thought was the doctor not necessarily who IS the doctor. This is quite a stretch, even for you. So, sure, it doesn’t accomplish anything, but throwing suspicion around on that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
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Speculating on who Queen protected, in the open, eliminates several cop suspects and narrows it to a few. Which is why I said speculating on who she protected is a bad idea. I’m done with this line of conversation.
OK, before I go to bed, I will apologize to BM for being a little snarky with him. Getting in a pissing match with a fellow player doesn’t help anyone. I don’t know the guy but he seems like a decent fellow, even if I did flame him incessently in M5.
Unnoficial vote count:
MadTheSwine (3): Fluiddruid, WF Tomba, IceCreamMan
FluidDruid (1): MatTheSwine
Pedescribe (1): zuma
peekercpa (1): MindWanderer
zuma (1): pedescribe
No Vote (7): Other People
Ok, back from (a) wedding and one hell of a week. I’ll be re-reading tonight and tomorrow and hope to be able to post something of merit by then. Go Town!
[QUOTE=pedescribe]
Whoa, back up. If we lynch a scum, the total number goes down, making it 8-3. And if we lose the decective in the process (and without a doctor, we probably will), that makes it 7-3. So, if the detective role-claims today, that will be 8-4 today to 7-3 tommorow. Not a spectacular leap. Was he trying to give false numbers or was this an accident?
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Am I missing something? There are 14 of us left right? I know I ain’t mathmatically inclined like BM,but I think I can handle subtracting 2 from 14.Let me double check lemme see 14-1=13,13-1=12.Going by my feeble math skills I contend that after toNights murder there will be 12 players left.BM is my math right?
If so,who is giving the false numbers?
[QUOTE=pedescribe]
I think, without the doctor, that every remaining power role should be twice as wary (unless there are scum power roles, they should feel free to slip up :)), and, as mentioned earlier, MTS knows that.
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[QUOTE=fluiddruid]
I’m not sure where to start here, MadTheSwine.
First of all - why is calling for a modkill of a known lurker scummy?.
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Your modkill suggestion was based on the false Info given about me lurking.It seemed to me that you were trying to get 2 easy kills before you even got to make a Night kill.
[QUOTE=fluiddruid]
As I said at the time (and you failed to quote or reference), killing someone who was already a high vote target is essentially two lynches for town.
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What? are you saying that because somebody gets a high vote count they are worthless too the town ? Especially on Day1??? My “high vote count” BTW was 2 votes. Again,you try to make me look like something I’m not.
[QUOTE=fluiddruid]
Now, check me if my math doesn’t work out,
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Sorry i ain’t good at math.
[QUOTE=fluiddruid]
but this is like a night kill failing - a free lynch with scum not able to fight back. How exactly is this scummy? It’s the opposite - it’s clearly pro-town and I find it very peculiar that you’ve tried to state otherwise with no basis
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It’s trying to get something for nothing and is firmly anti-town.
[QUOTE=fluiddruid]
Secondly, frankly, the number of scum in play has little to nothing to do with the discussion of the Town at this point (considering it’s Day Two, we have no real leads, and no role claims).
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The number of scum is very important to the discussion as I demonstated in my (what I think is correct) math.
[QUOTE=fluiddruid]
That combined with the fact that you’ve ham-handedly asked the Town “should we ask the Detective to step forward”? What, wasn’t losing the Doctor already enough?
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Here ya go again,misrepresenting what I’ve said. I did not ask the detective to step forward.
What I was trying to get across was IF the Detective found a scum last Night do we want the Detective to say so? If he is killed toNight without saying anything the game is pretty much over.
[QUOTE=bufftabby]
Do you intend to address my FoS on you and my contention that you have perhaps deliberately misinterpreted FD’s statements? I’d really like to hear from you on this so that I can decide whether or not I would like to turn my FoS into a full-fledged vote.
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Deliberately misinterpreted someone asking,or suggesting, that I be modkilled? No, I didnt misinterpret that deliberate or otherwise.What I interpreted was a scum leaving crumbs"don’t vote for Mad he will be modkilled, lets get another one."
Fishing for modkills leaves a sour taste in my mouth,wether I’m the fish or not.
Scientists are saying the future will be far more futuristic that orginally predicted. OK I’m still trying to digest southland tales.
unvote: pedescribe
I need to digest day one before I vote.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
Deliberately misinterpreted someone asking,or suggesting, that I be modkilled? No, I didnt misinterpret that deliberate or otherwise.What I interpreted was a scum leaving crumbs"don’t vote for Mad he will be modkilled, lets get another one."
Fishing for modkills leaves a sour taste in my mouth,wether I’m the fish or not.
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Okay, now I see where you aare coming from on that. I’m not saying I agree, but there is a huge difference, of course, between “deliberate misinterpretation” and “having a different interpretation that had not occurred to me”.I’m still not sure how I feel about your detective comment (it sounded like fishing, but your current explanation sounds feasible as well), but I don’t feel strongly enough about that to vote for you at this time.
Dead doctor Night 1? That sucks. Though its not as bad as some of the games where it was a detective dying Night 1. It does mean however that if there is a detective, he or she should be hesitant to come out unless they’re about to be lynched or can confirm multiple town and hopefully at least 1 scum.
My first though for the day was to check the people who left votes on random people. However, after looking over the final vote list and then going back and checking people’s reasonings, the only person who voted randomly and ended the Day there is bufftabby. But she justified it, at least somewhat, later on so it wasn’t just a random vote.
In the process of doing that, I noticed something interesting at least. I was suspicious of peekercpa, mainly because of the way he was bouncing all over the place and throwing out FoS’s and votes every which way. While reading back over and looking at the voting history I saw the following from peeker.
Post 367
At the end of the day, he was the only vote on QoT, which is vaguely interesting in and of itself, but what’s really interesting is his reasoning. Why? Because he snuggled(great term btw, I really like it) me slightly earlier.
Post 328
This was after a back and forth between Shadowfacts and I. Between the original suspicion and the above bits, I’m going to start off today with
Vote peekercpa
Blaster Master,
I’ve been thinking about our conversation from yesterDay and in the end I think I agree with you.
I think I was too hung up on trying not to lynch a townie by accident when it’s probably going to happen anyway. Also, I was looking at my vote as if it meant, “lynch this person”. The problem with that outlook is that a vote is actually, “I think this person is scum.” The distinction is that it’s all up to the town as a whole. If I think someone is scum and no one agrees then they don’t get lynched.
So I guess my outlook was putting too much weight on an individual vote. That’s why I was treating voting like it was something to be more wary of.
Votes are cheap.
[QUOTE=zuma]
And frankly, BM if you’re still pissed about M5, that does not become you, either.
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Okay, you’ve piqued my curiousity, but why would I be pissed about M5?
Perhaps I’m picking nits, but I agree that speculating is a bad idea, simply because, even if we DID know who she protected and why, it won’t help us find scum, because she wasn’t scum. Beyond that, we can only guess that she was either protecting someone she thought was a good player or thought was the Detective. So even if she was protecting who she thought was the Detective, it’s no better than a guess that any of the rest of us would have at who has that role.
Either way, even if we disagree on why we shouldn’t explore that angle, at least we both agree that it’s a bad topic, so let’s just look elsewhere for information.
Also, do the votes reset every day? Zuma’s unofficial vote counts seems to suggest so.