Nanook, interesting that you chose my expression of wishing Mad had claimed earlier to back up the impression that people believed his claim. I meant exactly what I said, because we weren’t offered an opportunity to discuss his claim. He waited long enough to allow people to panic (or feign panic) and unvote to save him, but not enough time to actually analyze. As I said, I wasn’t sure what to think about him up to that point, because I thought he may have been the detective, but the arguments against him were utterly unconvincing IMO.
The part that makes it interesting, is that you quoted me, but didn’t make any mention of those who actually expressed direct belief like, say, fluiddruid.
This is not true. First, the fact that storyteller was godfather in that game is incidental; the strategy of in-fighting is always relevant. And you’re assuming that, if that was their plan, that it was necessarily intended to make fluid look good and not necessarily meant to make Mad look good. The point is, scum have to do something to differentiate themselves, otherwise, if you find one, you find them all. If they look like they’re disagreeing, then they won’t look like they’re on a team together; if they’re not on a team together, they’re not scum.
The point here is that the arguments weren’t compelling for either, so it’s entirely possible that they meant it to pass over and it ended up getting stuck. It’s also interesting that both spent most of the Day arguing with the other, but both put their votes on the next convenient wagon, particularly when Mad’s life was actually in danger.
You’ve done a pretty good job of handwaving here, but you haven’t defended a central point. Why is being Godfather or not incidental?
Why would the scum team willingly place blame on their most important player when there were other targets available? Why not MTS cast suspicion on me, rather than vice versa?
The facts do not support what you’ve said here.
pedescribe only came up as a possible suspect in post 583, when NAF1138 voted for him based on his low vote count.
Note that Mad is already the only real suspect at that time.
I then posted that I was going to investigate pedescribe because he was under my radar. I did later that day, in post #605. I said then that I did not want to change my vote.
So, if your assertion is right and I’m scum… why didn’t I switch my vote then? That would have tied it up and would have looked a lot less weird than switching later (which is what I did).
Afterwards, the following happened:
peekercpa votes Blaster Master
Ice Cream Man switches vote from Mind Wanderer to pedescribe
Shadow Facts votes MTS
bufftabby votes MTS
pedescribe responds to my prod too fast and I switch my vote
So, why would I switch when the MTS/pedescribe vote was 5-2 rather than 3-1? 3 votes that late in the day made him the only real suspect, and I still submit that this was largely my doing.
I’m going to make this formal. You’re twisting the truth, Blaster, whether it’s intentional or no. The imprecision of your posts here isn’t like you.
You know what? I’ve been looking over the thread again and it’s possible I made a mistake in my counting.
This evening I’ll redo it and also complete an analysis of Day 2 voting. If I find out I’ve been suspecting you based on a mistake, you’ll have my apologies.
I think you’ve poorly thought out this vote. Remember, WF Tomba cast a conclusive vote for MTS (second vote, after myself) and kept it on him despite the tie. Unless pedescribe turns out to be scum, this is a point in his favor. Admittedly, he may have chosen to keep the vote to avoid suspicion, but I think it nudges him solidly in Town direction.
As such, I think we have a pretty good list of more-likely-to-be-town-folks in the MTS vote list, which was: WF Tomba, Sitnam, ShadowFacts, bufftabby, pedescribe
You’re ASSUMING that the Lead Assassin is necessarily the most valuable role and is necessarily equivalent to the Godfather. We have no evidence to support this. For all we know, there could still be a Godfather out there, and the Lead Assassin is just one of his henchmen. Any assumptions about what powers the Lead Assassin may or may not have are, at best, pure speculation and, at worst, Perfect Information Syndrome.
Second, even if he is a Godfather type role, that doesn’t mean there’s the most valuable player. You’re mixing up the value of a role with the value of the player. Even if he WAS a Godfather type role, what’s his power? Maybe he shows up as town to the detective, or maybe he just has a tie-breaking vote for the scum. As I said, maybe it was a plan to help clear him at your expense and it backfired. Maybe it wasn’t meant to garner any real suspicion at all. Maybe you were TRYING to make him look just suspicious enough so his “show up as townie” power would come into effect by trying to get him investigated.
The most damning question is, “Why not MTS cast suspicion on me…?” He DID. Wasn’t he the one who called YOU out initially for calling for a mod kill? This seems to jive pretty well with him trying to use you to clear himself.
Huh? You’re deliberately picking a point in time where it doesn’t look so bad for you. What you’re missing is that at the time you’re showing, Mad is in no particular danger, having three votes when a bunch of people have one isn’t particularly dangerous. You still have plenty of time to adjust your vote as you need to. At the time you DO adjust your vote, Mad finally has 5 votes, and pedescribe is the only other person who has more than one vote. At this point, Mad IS in some real danger, and a vote switch to pedescribe changes a strong 5-2 lead into a small 4-3 lead.
And to answer your question directly, as to why you didn’t change your vote at this particular point in time… where would you put it? Changing your vote to someone else doesn’t help unless you can make a wagon out of it, and since each of them only had one vote, you’d know that Mad had (probably) two townie votes, and all the rest had either 1 townie vote or none. As such, you needed to figure out which one had the best chance of turning into a wagon while also having sufficient reason to move your vote off of Mad. By waiting until you saw someone who had at least two votes, it means that your third vote will make people look at him.
Either way, you accuse ME of twisting the truth, but you’re deliberately picking a points in time that reflect your actions in the best possible light. Anyway, I’m rather convinced you’re scum, so I’ll go ahead and put my vote where my mouth is:
If you’re willing to admit that, and willing to explain a bit more in detail what you’re calculating and how, I’ll be willing to concede that we probably just ran headlong into a case of vehement townie on townie violence. I still think you can’t read as much into Day 1 as you want to, but I can understand the desire to do so.
Yes, I’m assuming. In fact I said I was assuming, and laid out the reasons why I assumed that. You simply didn’t respond to any of that and dismissed it.
Your reasoning could be right, but what I was looking for was some actual reasoning. The one who assumed without defending themselves on this point is you, not me. Again, you’re turning around and accusing others of doing what you are doing yourself!
On what grounds am I a more important player than MTS, if there are no role considerations?
We don’t know, of course, but given that this is a “back to basics” game with no revealed scum roles, I doubt there is also a King of the Assassins and CEO of Assassins that outrank the Lead Assassin.
But, again, to what gain? Why on Day 2 when there was really nothing to clear to begin with?
Why risk so much to gain so little?! This is what I find so maddening about these accusations. They do not make sense and you are reaching very far to try to argue otherwise.
aybe it wasn’t meant to garner any real suspicion at all. Maybe you were TRYING to make him look just suspicious enough so his “show up as townie” power would come into effect by trying to get him investigated.
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This is horseshit, Blaster Master, and you know it. Further, you repeat exactly what I said in my post without quoting as if you’re saying it, when in fact I SAID IT, and using it to say I’m “twisting the truth”. If you want to argue that having 3 votes when nobody else has more than a vote isn’t dangerous, then argue that. Don’t pretend that I didn’t go through the thread and explicitly pointed out that there were votes cast between my refusal to switch my vote and my eventual switch, because I did say so. My argument is simply that it makes no sense to assume I must be scum because I frantically switched my vote when MTS led by 3 (5-2) instead of 2 (3-1). That’s what you seem to be arguing.
At this point, you’ve convinced me too.
unvote Mind Wanderer (who’s not off my list by any means)
vote Blaster Master
Holy crap. I may be the slowest person to ever play this game but when
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Even I could read that we got something more than vanilla scum.
And, WFTomba I still am not buying your analysis but Nanook of the North Shore your vote still seems like an OMGUS. I still think WFTomba is FOS full of shit.
Ok. In the interest of being consistent with my stated observations.
I really don’t like lurkers. I mean I don’t see half of what you guys see but at least most of you are at least talking and confusing the fuck out of me.
Vote zuma
That’s where it be.
I’d rather lynch a non-contributory (if that is what he is) town than someone who is at least trying.
I am trying to generate some type of discussion. The only problem is that when any type of discussion is initiated by a “newb” we got shot down so quick that the natural inclination is to put your tail between your legs and run.
I now see that QOT may have exposed herself, but only to someone really experienced. Therefore, while my vote will remain on zuma for now I have a lot of suspicion on you and Blaster Master.
