Mafia: Simpletown

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1181

Well, I said above that I could be convinced toDay by a compelling case against Nanook, and to be frank this ain’t it. Got anything else that might warrant a vote, peeker? I know you’re mostly posting from your BlackBerry, but when you get some computer time, think you can put something together?

I’d also be interesting in seeing a complete case against bufftabby from Blaster, who has been suspicious of her for a while now. (The whole Roosh/bufftabby snuggle argument seems like small potatoes, if anything). I’m sorry I don’t have time to do it myself right now.

Finally, I feel like I need to throw a belated HUZZAH! to our dearly departed NAF1138, whose well-timed claim really made my early claim (oops) useful and set us on a good path. Way to go NAF!

1182

FTR, I’m going to be out in the mountains all day today, so don’t expect to hear from me until tomorrow. Hopefully, there will be lots to catch up on :stuck_out_tongue:

1183

Possibilities:

In the best case scenario:
Day Five - Lynch unknown/RyJae – Scum
Night Five - Trusted townie is killed
(5-1)
Day Six - Lynch unknown/RyJae (whichever we didn’t before) – Scum
Town Wins

In the worst case scenario:
Day Five - Lynch RyJae – Miller
Night Five - A trusted townie is killed
(4-2)
Day Six - Lynch Unknown1 – Townie
Night Six - A trusted Townie is killed
(2-2) – Scum Win

Middle Scenario:
Day Five - Lynch Unknown1 – Scum
Night Five - A trusted Townie is killed
(5-1)
Day Six - Lynch RyJae – Miller
Night Six - A trusted Townie is killed
(3-1)
Day Seven: Lynch or Lose

Worse Scenario:
Day Five - Lynch RyJae – Miller (but shows up as scum)
Night Five - A trusted Townie is killed
(5-1)? (actually 4-2)
Day Six - Lynch Unknown1 – Townie
Night Five - A trusted Townie is killed
(3-1)? (acutally, Scum Win)

If we lynch an unknown today, and he/she’s town, we’ll be at (4-2), i.e. lynch or lose. If we lynch RyJae, and he’s a miller, we’ll still be at lynch or lose, only with no leads.

Basically, if RyJae’s a miller, we’re in a WAY worse position than if he’s scum. So I think we should concentrate today on figuring out whether or not he’s lying. I’m keeping my vote on him today, because I think he is, but we need evidence, and I don’t know enough about scum posting patterns to find it.

1184

What you described it actually easier than you make it. We lynch unknown/scum today the remaining one tomorrow and we win. Of course thats me looking at it not you, because you don’t trust who I am. Best bet for us to win is kill the two unconfirmed, and if one of them turn up as town then you can say I am lying and kill me. I’m confident that won’t happen so by the process of elimination I know that my vote will go on the scum no matter which two I put it on.

1185

I’m still here and willing to answer questions from you, guys…
I’ve already made my opinions clear on what we should do today, and I don’t see a reason for just endlessly repeating them.

1186

I think that there is three not two who are unconfirmed. I am still on the Nanook train - post 791 seems like OMGYS amd the whole zuma “erratic” (853) feels like fishing or bullshit. The whole Mad vote thing is additional smoke. My original post was much more coherant but at least this addresses some of my concerns. Originally I had coded this whole message but am at this point, Meh.

I will of course, defer but I think we got a scum sitter in Nanook.

When I first started drawing attention I chilled the heck down just to let everyone else start looking at others. Worked pretty good - but I knew I was town. I appreciate RoOsh stepping into the iterrogotory plate 'cause the rest of you suckers are not pulling your weight. MHO, of course.

Hope you are having fun and drinking beer on our behalf, ShadoeFacts.

Gastard

1187

I suppose that explains why you didn’t answer any of the questions I asked of you.

That’s okay, though. I’ve been thinking about you a lot. And watching…

Zuma’s lack of history has worked well for you here, RoOsh . I know I’ve seen posts of the opposite sentiment, seeming to think that [del]zume[/del] RoOsh is a bit unfairly receiving extra scrutiny for his prior incarnations extreme lack of prolificacy, but in a “them’s-the-breaks” sort of way. However, I would argue that it has been quite beneficial for ol RoOshy boy, and here’s why:

First, he was definitely thrown into the spotlight the moment he entered the game. Zuma’s absence had been the topic of a fair bit of discussion; I think most of us were wondering what was going to happen with that, and frustrated that we had little to no evidence one way or the other as to his potential townieness.

A rundown of post 940-something, by RoOsh: quasi-FoS peek, naf, pscribe for zuma votes (not official, mostly wtf bluster); then fos blam for fd vote then pulling out of it; fos ryjae and buff for snuggling. That’s 70% of players, with RoOsh making up another 10%, as well as now-confirmed scum mindwanderer and unknown Nanook making up the 20% that he did not accuse. Very interesting.

So, his first real post (maybe second total) throws out a number of suspicions. Was it designed to make anyone for whom it pings feel like it’s just OMGUS, and maybe hold off on those suspicions of him a bit longer? It threw me off for a few days. He certainly knew he would have an audience for this, his first real post, and that it would be the best time to implant the façade of his townieness into our minds. I think that is exactly what occurred.

He’s like a one-man townie army wannabe. Even Blam isn’t intense in comparison, and Blam tends to make my head hurt. His relentless SINCERITY (really, it’s so loud that it’s screaming at me) seems a little over the top, a little forced. Surely not everyone is really just believing that he’s town because he ACTS so town?

Post 1087, upon being named as a lynch candidate, alongside me.
“But I’m just surprised to see MY name up there with hers- Hell, I’ve been trying to play the game due to the fact that my predecessor pretty much wasn’t here for two weeks, and I get more suspicion than the players who’ve been playing for that time?”
So…you’re less likely to be scum because you’re a sub? Nobody likes a sob story. What a load of crap.

Followed by post 1096, to me.
“As you’ve been oddly here and there with your stuff (see past posts on how I felt you and Blaster were in cahoots, due to the similarities of your actions/suspicions).”

Really? It’s scummy that I have a job and a schedule, and some times are more convenient than others to post? Let’s lynch the people who can’t/don’t post on weekends while we’re at it. Your reasoning is far weaker than I would expect from Town.

RoOsh, buddy, I do appreciate all of the attention you’ve given me, really I do. But. I eventually realized that, if you were paying attention to any response I gave you, you were certainly disregarding it and pressing on against me (not as hot as it sounds). That’s a SCUM tactic. Real town actually cares about finding out the truth. Fake Town just wants to nail real Town to the wall. I see behind your over-sized rubber Townie mask to your scum soul, and I’m gonna do my best to expose it.

1188

So what’s your question Bufftabby? I’m here right now, and I don’t mind answering them.
If i missed your Qs, then I’m sorry, feel free to restate them for me though.

But I will be taking your posts with a grain of salt- as I do right now consider you my #2 suspect. Yet, as Storyteller always advises- you should vote for the SCUMMIEST player each Day- and that to me is the guy that showed up as SCUM to the detective.

I would hope not actually. They should JUDGE my ACTIONS and my Arguments as being Townie or Scummy. And even then they have NO reason to trust me. But I’m fully willing to be scrutinized and checked out, because I know I’m clean- that’s why I can play so damn townie- because the truth will always set me free, and even if I go down, hopefully I can go down helping the town to the very end (as I’m actually fond of Blaster’s gastard tactics, but I tend to use them on MYSELF vs. other Players- which is what I found so interestingly evil).

And Blam is NOTHING in intensity- he’s a numbers guy, but he’s a pretty chill dude (no offense BlaM). - I learned from Storyteller, now THERE’S an intense player. Storyteller has always been my “gold standard” for these games, and I always try to play as well as I imagine he would in these cases.

But as I was saying- feel free to criticize me and bring up points vs. me: I will do my best to defend myself. So sorry if I missed your Qs, but feel free to ask them again, perhaps with numbers or something?


Though I will ask you Question and offer a clarifications too Buffytabby:
1. Do you believe **Ryjae**'s Miller claim (since you seem to be insinuating that Nanook and I are scum)? 

2. "The oddly here and there" isn't referring to the fact that you post at certain times- it was that you tended to DO the same things that BlaM did in terms of voting, reasoning, etc. I am not going to make a case for you based on inactivity/activity, but I was stating that you tended to have Votes that followed BlaM's votes early in the game- hence the "in cahoots" line.
1189

To quote my post 1176, with slight enhancement:

  1. I am simply implying that you are scum. To state that more objectively, I’m not sure I believe her, and I don’t think it matters whether I do or not. Here’s why: the general consensus seems to be that we either began with four scum (which would include ryjae) or three scum and a Miller. With that being the case, there should be one and only one scum hiding in the unknowns. Once we find that scum, if the game is not yet over, we know it’s time to lynch ryjae. There’s no harm in leaving her alive for the moment, and lynching her if she is truly a Miller puts us a step closer to a lynch-or-lose situation.

  2. Could you provide examples of how I’m channeling BlaM? I just don’t see it.

  3. You’re suddenly very polite. It’s freaking me out.

1190

NETA: what you mean by “here and there” is pretty damn obvious on re-read. Sorry. Can’t be smart all the time. It’s not healthy.

1191

I apologize for not being around yesterday. I had yet more dental work done. This will be an ongoing thing for me unfortunately for a while yet.

I don’t know what more I can say about my colossal fuck up with Mad. Yes, I bought the damn claim at the time. It was late in the Day, I didn’t have a lot of time, I’m sorry I fucked up. But this idea that a scum would do what I did doesn’t make any sense. If I was so worried about killing my leader(under the assumption that I am scum), why would I wait until the last freakin minute to switch my vote? I could have switched much earlier and no one likely have batted an eye. In fact, if I had switched earlier I might have been able to sway the vote to someone else, and not had to deal with the crap that went on at the end of the day. All my last minute switch did was give sach a headache and bring down a lot of heat onto myself.

I don’t see any real points against me otherwise. I’d be happy to answer any questions or concerns you guys have. I am town, and have no reason to hold anything back.

1192

[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore]

I don’t know what more I can say about my colossal fuck up with Mad. Yes, I bought the damn claim at the time. It was late in the Day, I didn’t have a lot of time, I’m sorry I fucked up. But this idea that a scum would do what I did doesn’t make any sense. If I was so worried about killing my leader(under the assumption that I am scum), why would I wait until the last freakin minute to switch my vote? I could have switched much earlier and no one likely have batted an eye. In fact, if I had switched earlier I might have been able to sway the vote to someone else, and not had to deal with the crap that went on at the end of the day. All my last minute switch did was give sach a headache and bring down a lot of heat onto myself.QUOTE]

I think this is a pretty good summation of my thinking on that vote switch by Nanook. NAF, before his untimely end, I believe was thinking similarly - it’s just way too obvious. I went back and read the sequence - it reads like newbie panic to me. I don’t think this is a good reason to vote for Nanook.

1193

Ah, pisser. Screwed up the coding…

Anyway, to add to the above:

While I appreciate the willingness to answer questions, it would be more beneficial if you told us who you think is scum and why. Make a case for someone that we can evaluate. Town in general is being too passive so far toDay and we need to get to work.

Right now, I am going to
Vote RoOsh

I don’t have time to make a case, as my library computer session is about to time out (yes, I am in the *library * on vacation - that’s how much I love you guys).

1194

I thought about doing that, but I wasn’t sure whether or not it was wanted since I’m one of three on the block. But since you ask, I’ll take a look back over and see what there is to be seen.

1195

I don’t have a whole lot of time to go back and do the re-reading of parts I want to yet, but I want to put this out there as agreement with ShadowFacts. I would like to see a case from each of the unknown regarding who amongst the unknown they find most suspicious. That said, a case made against Ryjae doesn’t count. So, bufftabby, Nanook, RoOsh, and Ryjae, please make your cases and put in your votes, today if possible, so we have time to look after them so that confirmeds can then ask questions, reach a concensus, and vote as a block.

We have 3 unknown (4, if you count Ryjae). We know that at least 1 of you is scum (2, if you believe Ryjae). Bottom line is, we get one mislynch, so we pretty much get to lynch all but one of you (with the assumption that Ryjae is scum or if he is Miller, there’s only one scum left). Thus, my plan is simply, lynch amongst the unknowns Today. If we hit a Simpleton, we lynch Ryjae tomorrow no matter what. If we hit a scum, we can potentially give some consideration to the possibility that Ryjae actually is a miller, but it’s still overwhelmingly in our favor to lynch him and possibly end the game. Using this plan, the best case is a win Tomorrow, and the worst case should be a 2-1 LyLo, but with one of the townies being confirmed.

That said, the points that I want to reread, assuming I have the time, are specifically the posts where people were voting for zuma. If zuma is a townie, I think he’d make a good target for railroading because when he eventually did come up town, no one would really be able to blame people for that vote. So, I intend to reread those posts with that potential motivation in mind and see what I come up with.

1196

Delightful.

Anyways, I’ll address your points BlaM on my suspicions at the end of today, I’ve got some stuff to do and then I’ll be back. Same with you Buffy- I’ll have free time in the evening.

As for the being nice thing- it varies on my Moods. I am a human being after all, and I do have mood changes and shifts. Though they tend to change the later up I am at night and such.

1197

Ok so I started at the beginning, re-reading all the posts by zuma/Roosh and bufftabby. Not a lot of meat on Day 1 obviously, but I did come across something I thought was interesting. I should state upfront that my first impression upon rereading Day 1 is that zuma/roosh was coming across as town. There’s no one specific thing that leads me to that, just a feeling based on the style he was using. It was more closely similar to the style he’s used in the past when he was town than when he was scum. That said, take a look at this.

An interesting vote from the person confirmed to be the Lead Assassin. It seems to me that pulling out the old “the third vote is a scum tell” canard in an effort to bandwagon a townie is a great Day 1 thing for a scum to attempt in a game with newer players, since not all of them may be aware that it doesn’t work. It won’t necessarily bring any extra suspicision on them, and might succeed. A point in zuma’s favor over bufftabby’s. Back with more later.

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Please see the case and vote against RoOsh that I have already made. I think my case is fairly thorough, and I don’t have anything to add to that.

I would like to remind anyone who is interested that I did vote against BlaM at one point, so I don’t see where the whole “buff-is-stuck-up-BlaM’s-ass” argument is coming from (RoOsh) or the whole “I was acting scummy, so why weren’t you suspicious of me? You must have perfect knowledge” (BlaM). YMMV.

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Oh, and RoOsh…

Thanks…? :confused: :dubious:

1200

Just a quick point… I tend to post as I catch up rather than at the end, so I’d missed a few of your back and forth posts with RoOsh. Thank you.