Q’s from Buffy:
- Only ONE confirmed townie voted ryjae. Everyone else voted unknown. So, I ask you again: what makes it scummy that I believe in taking the same course of action that SEVEN different players found to be the best course of action yesterday?
- Oh, and why don’t you tell me when the last time I even did snuggle, since I am apparently so determined to continue doing so, to the great detriment of the town?
1. Okay. One confirmed Townie voted Ryjae, everyone else voted unknown. Let's up up the votes.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Day 4 Final Vote: Mind Wanderer is an Assassin
2 - **RyJae** (RoOsh, pedescribe)
5 - **Mind Wanderer** (ShadowFacts, NAF1138, peekercpa, Blaster Master, Nanook of the North Shore)
2 - **Nanook of the North Shore** (bufftabby, RyJae)
1 - **No Vote** (Mind Wanderer)
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Of those people: Only 4 votes matter.
As the rest are confirmed townies by the detective. So throw out 7 people, and focus on 4.
Me- Votes Ryjae -a known scum result from our Cop.
Nanook- Votes MW last, but MW was also scum.
Buffy- Nanook -an unknown
Ryjae- votes Nanook.
My views on the vote:
Me: I voted for scummiest, and I know what I am. No hard thoughts there.
Nanook- he gets points for voting for scum, but he did vote for MW last. So that was kinda an iffy one. He's got some suspicion for that. But i've not had a strong scummy vibe from the guy, but then again, he hasn't screamed town to me. The jury's out.
Ryjae- i consider him scum. He didn't vote for MW, another scum. Interesting. But he votes for Nanook. That's a nice cup of WIFOM to deal with if he's scum.
Buffy- votes for an unknown. You didn't vote for scum. Nor did you vote for someone who got a Scum result on him. To me that's doubly suspicious. Because that means 1. you found Nanook to be more suspicious than BOTH **Mindwanders **AND **Ryjae**. That's whats suspicious to me. But that's only 1 part.
(BTW, just as a side point: I REALLY dislike the whole "Look, WHY ME? I'm doing what EVERYONE ELSE did" sorta defense. It's what I mean by the snuggling business (though its not the same thing) as its REALLY unhelpful. Because if you WANT to defend yourself then DEFEND your actions. Defend yourself with YOUR words. Hiding behind the masses is scummy to me. Just saying "well, I did it because THEY did it too, so WHY ME??" just shouts out that you're hiding something. It's like that new person in the you-solve-it game- the one who basically followed the masses and was generally confused and pretty much not helpful for the Town because of it. That's like the "archetype" of UNhelpfulness. If you can't justify YOUR actions with YOUR thoughts and YOUR reasonings, that's scummy to me. Because if YOU can't do it, and you're town; then how are we supposed to buy your reasonings and actions? We can't. It's best to lynch them then as they're just muddying up the waters, and allowing REAL scum to do the same tricks. But anyways, back to the point of WHY you of the 7.
Your votes have been the most suspicious of the "seven" by which I mean 3.
Let's look at overall voting trends:
**Day 1:** All 3 of us "unknowns" vote for Menocchio lynching him, who comes out Town. IceCreamRyae doesn't vote but wanted to vote for MadtheSwine. So I can't really get anything from that day.
**Day 2:**
Ice Cream Man & Nanook of the North Shore go for **Pedescribe**.
bufftabby- you go for **MadtheSwine**. A point in your favor, though your vote was VERY wishy-washy at times, and it went back and forth. If you are not scum, than an interesting point: No scum would have voted for MtS that day, which could very strongly be points against Nanook and Ryjae for trying to "save" their leader.
However, if I was scum- I'd always try to have a hand in voting for scum because then you get instant Townie cred. Seeing a lynch of scum without ANY scum ON the wagon is just surprising to me as a player.
**Day 3:**
Nanook- goes after Mindwanders as a one-off vote.
Ryjae- votes for pedescribe again, a 2 off vote.
Buffy- votes for Fluiddruid. Interesting points to note- again, I felt your vote for fluid was very squeamish. Especially since you were quite pro-fluid and anti-blam it seemed from the earlier day. So to see you turn on fluid was surprising, but i suppose people CAN change their minds.
*But also to note, if you're NOT scum, then MW would have been the only scum to lynch fluiddruid, this again would surprise me a wee bit. Scum just lost their head guy, I'd think they'd want to be in control of the voting process. However, everyone else besides you on that lynch is either townie or a mason. This is a big point against you in my book.
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Day 4:**
Well I've already said it above who voted for who.
So it's not so much your point of "I did what 7 other people did" as that makes NO sense to me (and I don't really understand it as a defense, are you just basically saying "WHY ME??" if so- that's simple: You look scummy that's why you. Your actions are scummier to me than Nanook's. But because you also stand out as being scummier than him. Nanook's been through with the questions and votes and stuff, and I'm paying attention to that stuff, but you've been getting off pretty free without Me here, and that's not cool). So hopefully that'll help explain why you over 7 or 2 others basically. And it's not like I have a problem with you NOT voting for Ryjae. But I DO have a problem for you NOT voting for Scum or a Known Scum Result, because that makes me wonder WHY do you think that. Especially when toDay you changed your vote so quickly to me. You're being loose with your votes, and that to me shows your nanook one was a weak one, so why are you hopping around and such.
2. The snuggly-thing (I sorta addressed this earlier, but I'll do it ONE more time for you, but at this point its like talking to a wall). I have problems with you JUSTIFYING anti-town actions. Snuggling is BAD. Period. That's my stance. So if you snuggle, I don't like it. If you think Snuggling is good, I don't like that EITHER, as it's not, and I have yet to see a good argument FOR snuggling. In my book, Snuggling = anti-town.
Now, if you were Townie you'd try to be helpful about this and just drop it. But you continue to insist that Snuggling it NOT a bad thing. Which to me means you want to keep the notion of snuggling around. I want to exterminate it, from this game, and future games. You want to keep it around for this game and perhaps even future games. This is a conflict of interest. So my biggest problems with you are the fact that you REFUSE to admit that "okay, my bad; I'll stop with the unhelpful junk", but you don't have a GOOD reason for why such things are not anti-town.
As long as you have that stance, I'm suspicious of you. Because that's you SUPPORTING anti-town actions.
As for snuggling instances, I don't need to get into that sorta thing, but fine- saying "hey, why me of the 7 other people?" is a weak case of snuggling. You're trying to put yourself into a group to hide your actions. Why can't you just DEFEND them for they are. Defend your actions and motivations and justify them. Don't try to be evasive or coy about it. Doing so is trying to go "Hey, i'm just following the crowd. That's totally NOT Scummy. Cuz we're ALL doing it."
Scum do NOT want to stand out, they LIKE being in the crowd, they WANT people to trust them. So the fact that you continue to try to use those tactics as defenses for yourself REALLY don't persuade me any. As they're weak defenses for your actions, and you just evading the chance to have to make a stand and say "Yeah, I believe in what i did, and I had a reason for what i did." You so far haven't shown that, and seem more content to point out OTHERS as having done the same thing with you. That doesn't help me figure out who's scummy and who's not at ALL.
It's not (in my book) a very townie action.
So there ya go.
BlaM- you know my stance on the "unknowns"
My suspicion list: Ryjae, Buffy, Nanook in that order pretty much.
Ryjae- because i don't buy his claim. I still feel (as others have now said) we should strike while the iron's hot and we've got the chance.
Buffy- pretty much ALL my posts on this Day have gone towards why I dislike her actions. I'm pretty convinced she's the scummier of the Buffy/Nanook duo.
Nanook- I don't have a strong read on him, but before I joined the game, I didn't have a scummy vibe on him. However, I'm keeping an open mind on him.
And BLaM- t'was meant to be a compliment, I consider you an awesome dude and a very nice player.