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- Okay. One confirmed Townie voted Ryjae, everyone else voted unknown. Let’s up up the votes.
Of those people: Only 4 votes matter. <Snip>
Buffy- votes for an unknown. You didn’t vote for scum. Nor did you vote for someone who got a Scum result on him. To me that’s doubly suspicious. Because that means 1. you found Nanook to be more suspicious than BOTH **Mindwanders **AND Ryjae. That’s whats suspicious to me. But that’s only 1 part.
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Yes, I did. MindWanderer only got lynched for inactivity, so that he wouldn’t be modkilled. I’ve said before that I’m not a lurker-lyncher. I voted who I felt to be scummy. I’ve given my reasons for not voting for ryjae yet, and right now I’m waiting for clarification (see my most recent post before this one) to make sure my logic on that makes sense. If the situation turns out to be different than I thought, then I will vote for her/him/apparently I have no idea.
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(BTW, just as a side point: I REALLY dislike the whole “Look, WHY ME? I’m doing what EVERYONE ELSE did” sorta defense. It’s what I mean by the snuggling business (though its not the same thing) as its REALLY unhelpful. Because if you WANT to defend yourself then DEFEND your actions. Defend yourself with YOUR words. Hiding behind the masses is scummy to me. Just saying “well, I did it because THEY did it too, so WHY ME??” just shouts out that you’re hiding something. It’s like that new person in the you-solve-it game- the one who basically followed the masses and was generally confused and pretty much not helpful for the Town because of it. That’s like the “archetype” of UNhelpfulness. If you can’t justify YOUR actions with YOUR thoughts and YOUR reasonings, that’s scummy to me. Because if YOU can’t do it, and you’re town; then how are we supposed to buy your reasonings and actions? We can’t. It’s best to lynch them then as they’re just muddying up the waters, and allowing REAL scum to do the same tricks. But anyways, back to the point of WHY you of the 7.
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I’m not using the reasons of others to justify my actions. I’ve explained why I think it’s a good idea to ferret out the scum in the unknowns. I haven’t simply said “everyone else is doing it, so why can’t I?” I just think it’s wacky to consider it a point against me, but not against anyone else doing the same damn thing.
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Your votes have been the most suspicious of the “seven” by which I mean 3.
Let’s look at overall voting trends:
Day 1: All 3 of us “unknowns” vote for Menocchio lynching him, who comes out Town. IceCreamRyae doesn’t vote but wanted to vote for MadtheSwine. So I can’t really get anything from that day.
Day 2:
Ice Cream Man & Nanook of the North Shore go for Pedescribe.
bufftabby- you go for MadtheSwine. A point in your favor, though your vote was VERY wishy-washy at times, and it went back and forth. If you are not scum, than an interesting point: No scum would have voted for MtS that day, which could very strongly be points against Nanook and Ryjae for trying to “save” their leader.
However, if I was scum- I’d always try to have a hand in voting for scum because then you get instant Townie cred. Seeing a lynch of scum without ANY scum ON the wagon is just surprising to me as a player.
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Well, then the scum planned that well. I understand that scum are gonna wanna periodically hop on a scum bandwagon, but I’d say a vote against their leader would be one of the votes they would tend to stay away from. I do see where you are coming from on this, but all i can really argue is that it is not the case, and not exactly illogical to consider that it could reasonably not be the case.
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Day 3:
Nanook- goes after Mindwanders as a one-off vote.
Ryjae- votes for pedescribe again, a 2 off vote.
Buffy- votes for Fluiddruid. Interesting points to note- again, I felt your vote for fluid was very squeamish. Especially since you were quite pro-fluid and anti-blam it seemed from the earlier day. So to see you turn on fluid was surprising, but i suppose people CAN change their minds.
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I said that I didn’t think the death of the one person voting for FD should be taken to mean that FD is scum. That was the extent of my pro-Fluidity.
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*But also to note, if you’re NOT scum, then MW would have been the only scum to lynch fluiddruid, this again would surprise me a wee bit. Scum just lost their head guy, I’d think they’d want to be in control of the voting process. However, everyone else besides you on that lynch is either townie or a mason. This is a big point against you in my book.
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Uh huh. Scum’s really gonna rush to join a townie bandwagon that’s already completely out of control, and pretty much a guaranteed success. At least I voted.
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Day 4:
Well I’ve already said it above who voted for who.
So it’s not so much your point of “I did what 7 other people did” as that makes NO sense to me (and I don’t really understand it as a defense, are you just basically saying “WHY ME??” if so- that’s simple: You look scummy that’s why you. Your actions are scummier to me than Nanook’s. But because you also stand out as being scummier than him. Nanook’s been through with the questions and votes and stuff, and I’m paying attention to that stuff, but you’ve been getting off pretty free without Me here, and that’s not cool). So hopefully that’ll help explain why you over 7 or 2 others basically. And it’s not like I have a problem with you NOT voting for Ryjae. But I DO have a problem for you NOT voting for Scum or a Known Scum Result, because that makes me wonder WHY do you think that. Especially when toDay you changed your vote so quickly to me. You’re being loose with your votes, and that to me shows your nanook one was a weak one, so why are you hopping around and such.
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You’re right. I should doggedly hang onto my opinions about players and never change them or put any thought into them. :rolleyes: This is ridiculous.
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- The snuggly-thing (I sorta addressed this earlier, but I’ll do it ONE more time for you, but at this point its like talking to a wall). I have problems with you JUSTIFYING anti-town actions. Snuggling is BAD. Period. That’s my stance. So if you snuggle, I don’t like it. If you think Snuggling is good, I don’t like that EITHER, as it’s not, and I have yet to see a good argument FOR snuggling. In my book, Snuggling = anti-town.
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No, you continue to use it as this big point against me, and I continue to refute it. You can’t even tell me when I’m doing it. I’m glad you’re done talking about it; I’m fucking sick of it. It’s just more of your scum-ass bullshit that you seem to be so good at stirring up.
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As for snuggling instances, I don’t need to get into that sorta thing, but fine- saying “hey, why me of the 7 other people?” is a weak case of snuggling. You’re trying to put yourself into a group to hide your actions. Why can’t you just DEFEND them for they are. Defend your actions and motivations and justify them. Don’t try to be evasive or coy about it. Doing so is trying to go “Hey, i’m just following the crowd. That’s totally NOT Scummy. Cuz we’re ALL doing it.”
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Oh, so I’m just this awful snuggling machine, but you don’t need to explain how? What weak-ass bullshit reasoning. I have never been more convinced that you are scum.
Yeah, and I’ll state (one more time): I have defended my lack of a ryjae vote, and not by saying “everybody is doing it”. Upon preview, I see that Nanook has clarified for me that I am viewing potential scum numbers correctly, so my reasoning on not voting ryjae still stands. Nice misrepresentation on your part, though.
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