Mafia: Simpletown

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1. Blaster Master
2. bufftabby
3. [del]IceCreamMan Ryjae[/del] Assassin
4. zuma RoOsh
5. pedescribe
6. [del]WF Tomba[/del] Simpleton
7. [del]Koldanar NAF1138[/del] Detective
8. [del]MindWanderer[/del] Assassin
9. [del]Queen of Town[/del] Doctor
10. [del]MadTheSwine[/del] Lead Assassin
11. Nanook of the North Shore
12. [del]ShadowFacts[/del] Mason
13. [del]Menocchio[/del] Simpleton
14. peekercpa
15. [del]Sitnam[/del] Simpleton
16. [del]fluiddruid[/del] Simpleton

Menocchio, Simpleton, lynched Day One
Queen of Town, Doctor, killed Night One
MadTheSwine, Lead Assassin, lynched Day Two
Sitnam, Simpleton, killed Night Two
fluiddruid, Simpleton, lynched Day Three
WF Tomba, Simpleton, killed Night Three
MindWanderer, Assassin, lynched Day Four
NAF1138, Detective, killed Night Four
RyJae, Assassin, lynched Day Five
ShadowFacts, Mason, killed Night Five

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[QUOTE=sachertorte]
[del]Shadowfax, a horse[/del] ShadowFacts, a Mason is dead.
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Bah, curse you, scum!

Thanks for a great game, everyone. Bring it home, Town!!

Off to the Forbidden thread - woo!

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Dammit, sorry to see ya go, ShadowFacts. I think we all had a feeling that was gonna happen…

I’ll have some content to my post in a bit. Work wins right now.

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To recap some of my previous points against RoOsh:

[Quote=bufftabby]
A rundown of post 940-something: quasi-FoS peek, naf, pscribe for zuma votes (not official, mostly wtf bluster); then fos blam for fd vote then pulling out of it; fos ryjae and buff for snuggling. That’s 70% of players, with RoOsh making up another 10%, as well as now-confirmed scum mindwanderer and unknown Nanook making up the 20% that he did not accuse. Very interesting.

So, his first real post (maybe second total) throws out a number of suspicions. Was it designed to make anyone for whom it pings feel like it’s just OMGUS, and maybe hold off on those suspicions of him a bit longer? It threw me off for a few days. He certainly knew he would have an audience for this, his first real post, and that it would be the best time to implant the façade of his townieness into our minds.

His relentless SINCERITY (really, it’s so loud that it’s screaming at me) seems a little over the top, a little forced. Surely not everyone is really just believing that he’s town because he ACTS so town?
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ShadowFacts was the only other person who really seemed to be feeling the RoOsh lynch, and now he’s dead. That’s one of the reasons I was pretty sure ShadowFacts was going to be the one to die last Night.

I know I’ve said this before, but it’s a brand new Day, and I want to go ahead and ask again that anyone who somehow finds me scummier than RoOsh to take a closer look at our exchanges, and how I may as well never have answered any of his questions, as he completely ignored any explanation I might provide, in favor of picking out anything and everything he might use against me. His tactics against me have felt extremely scummy, and I believe he deserves another look.

I also think his voting against ryjae was convenient scum-on-scum action. The unconfirmed’s votes were obviously not being taken too highly into consideration yesterDay, and everyone knew ryjae would likely be lynched eventually. RoOsh’s vote on him was a pretty safe bet, without much need for explanation either.

I’ll go ahead and start the day with a hearty
vote RoOsh

Speaking of ryjae, I just love how he snuggled me before he died. Classic scum tactic, smearing town to try to drag them down with you.

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[QUOTE=bufftabby]

Speaking of ryjae, I just love how he snuggled me before he died. Classic scum tactic, smearing town to try to drag them down with you.
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Cite, please.

Also, I am finally a member of a fraternity that totaly accepts me. A membership of one - me.

Sorry to see you go ShadowFacts. But it was either you or BlasterMaster. Tails you lost, I guess.

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Cite, please.
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I couldn’t find a cite for you, so sorry, but I’ll go ahead and appeal to your sense of reason. Let’s say I am hypothetical scum. You really think that the scum most likely to be lynched (ryjae) is gonna go ahead and snuggle the only other scum alive (me, hypothetically)? That would be asking for trouble, because it would be so damn “obvious”. Instead, the scum snuggles a Town member so that everyone says, “look, scum said you were town, so you must be scum!” Which situation seems more likely? Of course, it becomes a major WIFOM situation with that, so I don’t suppose I can really convince you on that. I’m sure a more experienced player, regardless of whether they think I’m the scum or the town in those scenarios, could confirm that what I described has been used as a scummy tactic in the past.

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[QUOTE=bufftabby]

ShadowFacts was the only other person who really seemed to be feeling the RoOsh lynch, and now he’s dead. That’s one of the reasons I was pretty sure ShadowFacts was going to be the one to die last Night.
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And as an experienced player that seems a bit obvious to me - WIFOM, perhaps, however.

[Quote=bufftabby]
I also think his voting against ryjae was convenient scum-on-scum action. The unconfirmed’s votes were obviously not being taken too highly into consideration yesterDay, and everyone knew ryjae would likely be lynched eventually. RoOsh’s vote on him was a pretty safe bet, without much need for explanation either.
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But he didn’t end up voting for him.

Metagame: Once again, how likely would it be that two scum would either be replaced or potentially mod-killed (must have been a fucking morgue on the scum boards). At least for today (right now) RoOsh is my least likely candidate for a neck stretching.

bufftabby your “snuggles” are really starting to, in reflection, strike me as new scum trying to appear assistive.

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[Quote=peekercpa]
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But he didn’t end up voting for him.
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Yes, I do recall that his vote ended up on me. That was kinda my point. I’ll explain in more detail: he gets to gun for a townie with his actual vote (me), therefore not actually assisting in lynching a fellow scum, but if the lynch did swing toward ryjae (as it eventually did), he still gets townie cred for having promoted the lynch.

[Quote=peekercpa]

bufftabby your “snuggles” are really starting to, in reflection, strike me as new scum trying to appear assistive.
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Feel free to be more specific. When was I assistive? I keep hearing that I’ve been snuggling to the great detriment of the Town, but there seems to be a paucity of examples one way or the other.

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My theroy is that Nanook is town. Not a mindblowing theroy, I know, but hear me out:

The two remaining scum decided the night before last that they’d draw too much attention to themselves (not to mention being way outnumbered) if they worked together, so they split up. RyJae was going to be passive-aggressive, keeping attention away from himself while offering a suitable candidate. The other scum was going to be all-out aggressive, hoping to fill up the majority of posts against his victim. Fortunatley for town, both bufftabby and RoOsh turned out to be formidable opponents to each other, bouncing off each other in a mighty clash in which no real target could be acquired, and allowing my crusade against RyJae to shine bright enough to go through.

The real question is: which beserker is the scum? Is it RoOsh, the heavy inquisitor who was raining demanding questions against a huffy bufftabby? Or is it bufftabby, whose attack was forced into an aggressive defence and whose arguments always seemed to come second? Either way, I think the last one’s in there.

So, Nanook, if you’re scum, you’re very good at it. But I think we should lynch either bufftabby or RoOsh today, and the other tommorow. I’m not sure which one, though.

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[QUOTE=pedescribe]
My theroy is that Nanook is town. Not a mindblowing theroy, I know, but hear me out:

The two remaining scum decided the night before last that they’d draw too much attention to themselves (not to mention being way outnumbered) if they worked together, so they split up. RyJae was going to be passive-aggressive, keeping attention away from himself while offering a suitable candidate. The other scum was going to be all-out aggressive, hoping to fill up the majority of posts against his victim. Fortunatley for town, both bufftabby and RoOsh turned out to be formidable opponents to each other, bouncing off each other in a mighty clash in which no real target could be acquired, and allowing my crusade against RyJae to shine bright enough to go through.

The real question is: which beserker is the scum? Is it RoOsh, the heavy inquisitor who was raining demanding questions against a huffy bufftabby? Or is it bufftabby, whose attack was forced into an aggressive defence and whose arguments always seemed to come second? Either way, I think the last one’s in there.

So, Nanook, if you’re scum, you’re very good at it. But I think we should lynch either bufftabby or RoOsh today, and the other tommorow. I’m not sure which one, though.
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I absolutely agree. And, even if you lynch the wrong one first, we still haven’t lost have we? We can still lynch the other one tomorrow right,? We would only lose if we lynch the two out of the three unconfirmeds who are actually town, yes?

I also see what you’re saying about how difficult it is to separate out the conflict between RoOsh and I. I would only ask that you take a look at our exchanges the Day before yesterDay and see how it all began. And you’re right, buff is known for her huff, especially when she knows she’s right!

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[QUOTE=bufftabby]
I couldn’t find a cite for you, so sorry, but I’ll go ahead and appeal to your sense of reason. Let’s say I am hypothetical scum. You really think that the scum most likely to be lynched (ryjae) is gonna go ahead and snuggle the only other scum alive (me, hypothetically)? That would be asking for trouble, because it would be so damn “obvious”. Instead, the scum snuggles a Town member so that everyone says, “look, scum said you were town, so you must be scum!” Which situation seems more likely? Of course, it becomes a major WIFOM situation with that, so I don’t suppose I can really convince you on that. I’m sure a more experienced player, regardless of whether they think I’m the scum or the town in those scenarios, could confirm that what I described has been used as a scummy tactic in the past.
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I’m sorry this “I couldn’t find a cite for you” doesn’t cut it. If you’re going to claim he snuggled you, you have to be able to back it up, because neither he nor I recalls seeing that. So that makes any sort of reasoning on that suspect from the get go.

But, let’s say you’re right that the scum killed Shadow Facts because he was also on RoOsh. Any reasoning on why they killed him is specious. Is he scum and they killed him to remove some of the people that found him suspicious? Is he scum and they killed him to make it look that way so that we’d be less inclined to vote for him? Is he not scum and they’re trying to make it look like he is? There’s no way to differentiate any of those cases, so assigning any sort of weight to one case over the other without good reason is just plan bad logic.

So, you got some ‘splainin’ to do.

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[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
I’m sorry this “I couldn’t find a cite for you” doesn’t cut it. If you’re going to claim he snuggled you, you have to be able to back it up, because neither he nor I recalls seeing that. So that makes any sort of reasoning on that suspect from the get go.

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[Quote=ryjae]
where as I do not see bufftabby acting scummy in the least bit.
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I took peeker’s “cite, please” to refer to the bolded part of this statement:

Now do you see why I was unable to find a cite? I looked for a cite on that bit of scum strategy, too.

[Quote=BlasterMaster]

But, let’s say you’re right that the scum killed Shadow Facts because he was also on RoOsh. Any reasoning on why they killed him is specious. Is he scum and they killed him to remove some of the people that found him suspicious? Is he scum and they killed him to make it look that way so that we’d be less inclined to vote for him? Is he not scum and they’re trying to make it look like he is? There’s no way to differentiate any of those cases, so assigning any sort of weight to one case over the other without good reason is just plan bad logic.

So, you got some ‘splainin’ to do.
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Yes, yes, yes, motivation not behavior. ShadowFacts predicted that he would be the next one to die. It’s not like there is a direct and obvious trail from RoOsh to ShadowFacts. I think it’s reasonably likely that RoOsh wouldn’t be especially concerned by a potential link between the two. I would think that by now you’ve realized that you and I do not tend to draw conclusions in the same manner; I can’t really offer up any more 'splaining. I guess I’m just a specious thinker.

Could anyone confirm for me when the situation turns lylo? I’d like to think that even if I die today, we’ve still got a chance against the scum.

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[QUOTE=bufftabby]
Could anyone confirm for me when the situation turns lylo? I’d like to think that even if I die today, we’ve still got a chance against the scum.
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If my math is even close we are at 5-1. Lynch town 4-1, scum kill 3-1, lynch town 2-1, scum kill 1-1. 50/50. Worse case scenario, of course.

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I think I’ve got enough to place my vote but really want to hear from Nanook and RoOsh.

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Guys, I really hate to do this to you all, but I’m going to be a bit distracted. I’ve got exams next week and I’ve off studying for them long enough. So unfortunately, I’ll be quite diminished pretty from from tomorrow. Well, today after I go to bed/wake up until I finish my exams (which should be around Wednesday around 3pm.

So basically, I’m going to have to obviously cut back on my Mafia time, as its the easiest to go.
I’ll try to make 4 content posts right now, but then after that I’m kinda gonna have to leave it to you all.
Once again, I’m really sorry about this, but Real Life takes priority and all that blather.
But I’ll be back Wednesday evening, so I’ll be able to catch up then, until then expect me in smaller doses.

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
If my math is even close we are at 5-1. Lynch town 4-1, scum kill 3-1, lynch town 2-1, scum kill 1-1. 50/50. Worse case scenario, of course.
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Post #2:

It is of my opinion that if you guys WANT to lynch me- that’s fine. I think we can afford it, and especially since I won’t be around to defend myself much, if you guys want to go that route, I can’t really complain. I think we’re at a nice spot- However, this bit of warning: i have a feeling that when I go, Blaster will probably be the next to die.

So that’ll leave the game basically in you and the other P-named guy’s hand to figure it out between Nanook and Bufftabby. So just keep that in mind, and prepare yourselves for that, as you won’t have any veterans around to help you in endgame, which might be a good thing, ya know? But once again, If I go, I don’t mind, and I think you guys can do it.

Next post: My thoughts on the other two.

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[QUOTE=bufftabby]
ShadowFacts was the only other person who really seemed to be feeling the RoOsh lynch, and now he’s dead. That’s one of the reasons I was pretty sure ShadowFacts was going to be the one to die last Night.
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[QUOTE=bufftabby]

Speaking of ryjae, I just love how he snuggled me before he died. Classic scum tactic, smearing town to try to drag them down with you.
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Just a point, I hope you realize that BOTH cases you stated above are basically the same scenario- both lead to WIFOM, as both can come up with “Scummy” possibilities, and “Townie” possibilities.

However, I noticed that right away with regard to me- you presented the Scummy possibility, and kept the townie outcome for yourself. This was a bit disingenuous of you.
As in the first scenario- you could WIFOM that SF was killed simply because he was “feeling the Roosh lynch” as you DID put it above. That’s a very simple and easy way to frame someone as scum -AND it’s basically why I dislike relationship building by snuggles/smudges.
To kill a person that has been disagreeing or arguing with another player, and then state that the person who was arguing must be scum is a very easy to use tactic, and one I’ve seen used. The key for it to work though, is to make the rest of the town arrive at the conclusion that you [general term for scum] want them to arrive at.
–So it is with great interest that I note right off the bat, you’ve suggested that possibility, without giving ANY thought to the flip side of it.

The same can be said of the 2nd Case:
YOU have presented only one side of the coin- that Scum snuggled you, because you were a townie and you are innocent obviously, because it was scum snuggling a townie- nothing else.
Well, Why can’t Scum snuggle a scum in order for that scum to use that very same argument? It’s WIFOM at its best. This one is less glaring than the first, as everyone has an instinct of self-preservation when being accused. So the fact that you wanted to present the “towniest” version of the coin on your part, I’m willing to let that one fly, because I view those as null tells. But its that first one that gets me- right off the bat you try to paint me as scummy due to the SAME case of WIFOM that you’re defending yourself with.

Why couldn’t the scum have killed off shadowfacts to frame me?
That’s a possibility you never even brought up, which leads me to think that you wanted us to agree upon YOUR possibility first.

Same with the “I totally called SF dying” sorta bit. Really? You thought SF was going to die first? Good for you, I suppose. Not sure what you’re trying to say with that, other than to smudge me further as being that simple minded of scum that I’d make such a rookie move? Not sure. But alright, glad you called which one would die. (My money was on BlaM, but alright, you win).
Another post with some more thoughts to follow.

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[QUOTE=pedescribe]
My theroy is that Nanook is town. Not a mindblowing theroy, I know, but hear me out:

~Snip~

So, Nanook, if you’re scum, you’re very good at it. But I think we should lynch either bufftabby or RoOsh today, and the other tommorow. I’m not sure which one, though.
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I agree with your thoughts here Pedescribe.
I’m perfectly content if you vote me out toDay, because I know you’ll have a 2nd try to get it right, as between Buffy and Nanook, Nanook has been playing an EXCELLENT under the radar sort of game. He hasn’t been very aggressive, and he certainly is quite insightful during his thoughts. Bufftabby, well she’s been on both sides of the spectrum- quiet observer, and vicious high poster when called out.

And just based on my gut if I had to pick, I’d pick Nanook as the more townier of those two, and be willing to vote for Bufftabby.

But what I think should be done is simple:

There are 3 of you confirmed Townies. There are 3 unconfirmed. So why don’t YOU Three each take a person, and analyze them?
Go through the posts, and YOU put them all together in the spectrum.
Leave my thoughts out, leave Buffy’s thoughts out, and Nanook’s thoughts.

We need a 3rd Party Observer, and we’ve got 3 of them right here. And if you guys screw up, it’ll be good practice for you in the Endgame, as the information on 2 of them will still be there.

So that’s my final opinion- Don’t Listen to me, don’t listen to Buffy, and don’t listen to Nanook. As we’re all biased in this race with our own agendas to go forth. Go back through the posts- and YOU PEOPLE decide what’s a snuggle and what’s not a snuggle, and you guys vote for who you believe is the scummiest. I’m confident that the data will show the way.

And with that, I’ll make one last post just to make sure I’m not mod killed.

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[Quote=RoOsh]

So that’s my final opinion- Don’t Listen to me, don’t listen to Buffy, and don’t listen to Nanook. As we’re all biased in this race with our own agendas to go forth. Go back through the posts- and YOU PEOPLE decide what’s a snuggle and what’s not a snuggle, and you guys vote for who you believe is the scummiest. I’m confident that the data will show the way.
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This, I can agree with.

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Note
Obviously my plan above means less work for me, which is quite convenient while I’m away, but I think it’s for the best.

But it is what I think should be done- each of you pick one of us, and go through all the posts from the start onwards. This is what was done in the Original Games of Mafia, and its something that’s been lacking. So you guys use the data, and you guys discuss it, put us on trial with a “jury of our peers” so to speak. I believe the evidence will speak for itself. I know my stances on Ryjae, and I know how I’ve attacked Buffy, and I believe in my accusations.

So feel free to do the work, and see if you come to the same conclusions. If you do, I believe you should also join me then:
Vote Bufftabby.

And someone SHOULD go through Nanook’s Posts. I believe he’s the Townier of the two, but still, best to cover your asses in this sort of business.

Good luck, guys!
(And if you guys don’t want to do that work, well feel free to lynch me, but you guys have the time- this is DOPER Mafia!) :smiley:
Where’s the heavy analysis from you guys?
I vote Blam in charge btw as the voice of experience.
USE HIM!
As he should totally give his opinions now to you two newer players about “mafia strategy” and what’s “Scummy” and what’s not. Like what buffy has said- “X is totally scummy because it’s a common scum tell”- well, let’s leave that stuff up to someone like BlaM and you present the raw data and discuss it amongst yourselves while he’s still here.

Because I still believe, in a mislynch he’ll be the next to go at Night. So use his resources while you still have them.