Here’s the thing, RoOsh: I have not created any “here’s who I think is townie” lists, and I have not condoned that practice! I have never argued in favor of doing so. The closest I ever came to that was when I didsnuggle FluidDruid, and even stated so myself at the time. I have not done that since. When I said I knew shadowfacts would be the next one to go down, that was because I had already said so, to him, before he died! I have not done any of what you are talking about in your lovely snuggling lecture, save for the two points I just addressed. Hell, I agree with everything you said. I have never argued against those points. I have begged and begged for you to show me how I have committed acts of snuggling, not your abstract treatise on the topic.
Can I get a damn list of these snuggles of mine already? I ask and I ask and you cannot deliver! No one can, and that’s because you’re a full-of-crap, word-twisting, strawman-fighting, explanation-ignoring SCUM, and everybody will realize that as soon as my body hits the payment.
Town, RoOsh’s bullshit is gonna leave a real bad taste in your mouth if you actually swallow it.
Fair enough, let me give you what I consider to be the most glaring example from Day One of snuggling toward me (from post 391):
What makes this snuggly is the unnecessary flattery involved in the post. Perhaps it’s just how you are, I dunno, but this particular post stuck out to me the first time through, and again on a re-read. So, is it just because you tend to be a bit nicer when posting, or is it because you’re scum and it’s a good way to try to gain some trust from one of the more experienced townies?
zuma - Jumps on pedescribe for wondering why Queen didn’t self protect. Lots of smudging. Makes up stuff about how Doctors normally don’t self-protect. In retrospect, his comment about “losing again” seems directed toward me in light of me subbing for him in Batman. All of this happens early in the Day, then he disappears.
bufftabby - Aggressive, particularly towards my “newb power role tells” of Queen. False dichotomy voting between Fluid and Mad.
All in all, this is a very damnit Day for zuma. Both points I noticed about bufftabby are well explained by townie motivation, little of what zuma was doing seems explainable that way.
Again. I never said You made Townie trusts lists. I mentioned those as an Example of WHY these things are bad. Sheesh! That was a completely unnessesary point by you and out of the blue. Of course I you didn’t make Trust lists! No one really since M2 HAS!
You want snuggles? Fine, have some snuggles- but I really dislike the whole “You try and find it” rather than you answering the question: “What’s the pro-town motivation of snuggles/smudges?”
Post 391: The HUGE Blaster Snuggle, just bugged me from the start of the re-Read for me.
Post #445 : “Yeah, I guess this kinda counts as a fluiddruid snuggle, but this is my take on the situation so far.”
Post 615 :Snuggles Fluiddruid & Peeker +wishyWashy vote vs. Mad.
(Not really a Snuggle, but this vote never sat well with me especially since during my re-Read i just finished the above stuff, and got to this one: #782 )
And a bonus one: **Ryjae **Snuggles Blam AND Buffy 867
I yelled at him for that one… and well, he stopped slightly with it. But I still noticed these damn snuggles.
Oh, and FTR, RoOsh, I still find the whole “Blam is nothing in intensity” comment very strange. At first you say, no offense, but later say it was meant as a complement.
I didn’t address this then, but really, how do you justify saying I’m not intense? You saw how I went after fluiddruid, you watched me play in Batman, you watched me go at it with storyteller in the Psychopath game. You may not have watched the recruitment game either, but I was sure as hell intense there too. I may not quite have the mafia god status that he does, but I still can’t figure out how you’d justify a statement like that, and then still have the blatant contradiction between at first seeing it as a potential insult and then later trying to make it a complement.
Yeah, I was NOT happy to read how he was going about Day 1. The whole “let’s vote for experienced players only” was a huge :smack: to me. But on the whole “includes only one scum”, well that’s simple- he was using a stupid premise to begin with.
We’ve had mostly newer players as scum this game, with only Mad the Swine on my list as an experienced player of the scum.
So right from the Start, zuma’s been going down a foolish road, “trying to be nice to the newer players”.
That was just silly I felt, and yeah- It sucked.
His Day 2 comments- yeah, those were more towards the Batman game I figured.
Though him dropping this game was just weird, but again, I believe that was due to Real life issues and such. But still. I agree with you, and feel your pain Blam: It SUCKS to have to join a game halfway through, especially when I myself don’t like alot of the early stuff that Zuma pulled.
You don’t come off as a Mean player.
When you and I argued back and forth in Firefly, i didn’t feel malice or hatred coming from you.
You play the game, but you understand it’s a game, and you exude that vibe.
So when I’m up against you, my feelings don’t get hurt, that’s what I meant by the not intense part of it.
Other players- I can’t always be sure I’m playing the game with them, or sometimes my feelings get hurt. That’s INTENSE for me. But not with you, you play the game, but you treat the game as a game, and I like that.
Actually RoOsh, I can’t agree that snuggles after the fact are of any real consequence, because if it’s a townie, it’s confirmation, and if they’re scum, they’re feigning the same thing. So I think a snuggle of a Mason post claim doesn’t really mean a whole lot. Same with post-death fluid snuggles, because her alignment is already known.
What I find most damning about snuggles is when alignment is unknown. A townie has no particular reason to trust anyone else unless they have extra information. This is why I found the one from Day One particularly suspicious, because there was no reason to believe that I was town at that point.
So, I wouldn’t consider 848 to be of much consequence, but the snuggles of me and peekercpa are noteworthy. As for the Ryjae snuggle, if anything, that would tend to imply that bufftabby is LESS likely to be scum, as he’d have no reason to snuggle a fellow scum, but every reason to snuggle townies garnering suspicion.
I’m fairly agreeable, BlaM. If I agree with someone, I often say so. Even when I disagree with someone, I can find some aspect that I do agree with. That may not be the most ideal personality for Mafia play, but it’s the only one I’ve got, and I enjoy playing. That’s the only explanation I can give, because that’s the only one there is.
out of game/
If you want an opposite example: As much as I like the guy- Storyteller is a BULLDOG!
When he goes after you, you (well, I guess I mean myself, as this is my opinion) can’t help but FEEL Scummy even when I’m not. He’s just so relentless about it and utterly convinced.
There were so many times in the China game where I had to check myself “Am I REALLY acting that Scummy???” because of the way he kept going after me. He’s just Vicious about it. I actually fear getting looked at by him, even when I’m town, because I HATE his interrogations, because that’s what they feel like. It’s just HARSH, to the point of where I had to go “Was i really playing that Badly? Were my actions anti-town?” He just FILLED me with self-doubt that game on how to play even the game of mafia.
But I think it’s mostly because of the China game, where I kinda cracked a little, and the game got to me that I thought like that. You’ve never made me feel bad/doubt myself, even when we’ve been neck and neck into it and both of us were townie. Which is a good quality, and I like that. I enjoyed the Firefly game, and it certainly taught me a lot. But I suppose I like it more because we WON in the end as Town. I suppose if we’d lost, and my play had failed then yeah, it’d be in maybe a less positive light.
For the most part, I’m on (so i think) amicable terms with Everyone and I like playing this game, and will continue to do so.
/oog comments
I’m not mean, even when I deliberately manipulate people’s emotions, like I did with drainbead in the recruitment game, or Ryjae, Hoopy, and storyteller in Batman?
Perhaps it’s just a semantics game, because I try to play full-tilt, which I would consider intense, but I do try to keep in perspective that it’s a game and not let myself get so emotionally involved as some others.
But still, if that’s your definition of intense, is that how you view storyteller? How would that be your ideal manner of playing mafia? Wouldn’t you WANT to play it as a game?
See I view it as a negative thing- because of the 2nd part of her sentence. Emphasizing that her “Town-dar” is doing just fine. That to me just felt unnecessary, and kind of the comment that you’d use to try to show you’re a valuble member of the town. As a Townie, I’d never comment on my Townie-dar’s accuracy, because that’d just make me a better target for being Night Killed.
But to simply emphasize that you’re on track, and accurate so far about the townies- i really dislike that sorta stuff. That’s why toDay’s “I totally called the Shadowfacts thing” was also kinda glaring to me (as it felt like gloating to me).
That sorta stuff leaves a bad taste in my mouth- just any extra comments after a lynch/dawn period other than a “bummer” or a “sorry to see you go”.
Because, why make them?
What’s the motivation?
What are you trying to convince me of?
**MY **Emotions.
I’m a Selfish player.
I apply things to MYSELF.
Your interactions with me have been fine.
Hell, I was the mod and watched you all along in that game and laughed all the while. If anything, you are a fun and enjoyable player to watch. I consider you an experienced player, but again- those things didn’t apply to me. You weren’t attacking ME there.
With story, yeah. He’s intense and very aggressive. And I’ve felt it. And it was Harsh. I knew I was townie, and at the end, I could only be convinced he was scum trying to do me in. Because the case he made against me just felt so to the point. So when I found out he too was a Doctor, I had to go through this whole period of “Did I really play badly that game? Did I blow it? Was it me or was it him?” Sorta thing.
And yeah, I WANT to play like him. But I don’t want to EVER be in his scrutiny like that, unless I feel I can take it. Which the china game has taught me. I THINK I can handle a Story vs. Roosh battle, but I don’t know. I certainly don’t look forwards to it, ya know?
Well, to be fair, the two most reasonable kills last Night were Shadow and me. But by knowing this was predicted prior to his death, this introduces all sorts of potential situations for mafia kill choices.
out of game musings again/
Story vs. Moi.
I’m sure it would be fun to watch though…
It’s always fun to watch him rip someone to pieces, as long as it’s not YOU being ripped to pieces. Heh.
That’s kinda my 2nd motivation for playing these things. I want games to be fun to PLAY, but Also games to be fun to Watch.
So I hope everyone out there in Spoiler land is enjoying this game too. Otherwise, it’s just not as successful (it’s one reason I tend to disfavor Mod decisions deciding a game- because as a VIEWER it’s like I’m not getting my money’s worth, ya know? I like reading a game, and then have it come to a powerful and satisfying ending as a READER of the story. It sucks when it comes down to a technicality.
But again, Player= all for the W. That’s all that matters in the end. But as a Mod and a Reader, I’ll manipulate my games to try to avoid such situations (As evidenced by my own style of Moderating).
/oog
That’s exactly the point I tried to make at the beginning of toDay. See, it’s not snuggling to say you make my points better than I do; it’s simply often true.
Any other Qs? I’m about to start my Day, and I’m quite content- I’ve left you some more information for the newer players and I’ve tried to explain my thoughts.
But I think I’m feeling pretty good about this game, even if you lynch me.
If Sach does modkill Nanook, I think we’ve got this game in the Bag.
So if I die toDay, that’s cool, I’ll just get to hang with the spoilered peeps and eat nachos and yell at them for a Day. (Oh Joy!)
We are. The Recruitment game was fun to read, because of the way it went down- I was very suprised it’d ended so early. But I wasn’t a fan of the recruitment idea from the start. So I kinda wanted the Town to win in that game.
But I liked the last 2 Days. Especially the whole Cop vs. Townie issue. And the Breadcrumb of ALL Breadcrumbs (That was my fav. part).
However, Batman IS just awesome. I LOVE My Batman Game.It was designed to be fun to watch even more than play. So the spoiler threads are just good times in general. You should come join us!
