You’re right, you did say that. Sorry, I missed that bit.
So you don’t think we should engineer ties, but we should keep the idea in mind anyway? I swear, the more you post, the more befuddled I get.
I guess if an individual player wants to vote in such a way as to possibly lead to a tie, that’s his/her choice. That doesn’t mean another player won’t come along and throw a big fat wrench into the works. I suppose Player A in this scenario could then change his vote, with the suspicion that that entails.
The more I think about this, the more it just seems like a giant hairball. Chronos’ reasoning was sound, but I don’t see the idea working in practice.
Exactly, I’m not for purposefully engineering ties, but if a situation comes up where it becomes relevant, it’s good that everyone actually knows what is going on. Right now I don’t feel it is relevant, so right now I’m not for engineering a tie. If it does become relevant my opinion may change. I am for discussion, discussion is pro-town, I’m against hampering discussion, and I’m pretty suspicious of people being dismissive about legitimate talking points. Did I make myself more clear?
The bottom line is, I screwed up when I said what I said about “tipping my hand.” I was geeked up about playing mafia again and I just blabbered on and said something that at the time in my head, thought would be just filler Day 1 conversation. I didn’t realize it was gonna grab so much attention and even if I had realized when I posted it, I wouldn’t have done anything to try and edit it or change it. I’m used to the rule of strictly NO EDITING posts, so I would have just left it alone.
And yes, I see the irony in editing that post after just mentioning about not editing posts. I only did it because my quote brackets that I copied got messed up.
Play on!
Jsexton, I think you may be reading a bit too much into Chronos’ vote.
We still haven’t got any explanation from Dante G, other than how intimidating we are, but he did state he’d be willing to change his vote if Dante G manages to come forth with a reasonable explanation. That to me seems more like a Day One-might-as-well-vote, which is reasonable, certainly more reasonable than for example Dante G’s vote. But I don’t know, maybe I’m not reading enough into it.
You’re opposed to engineering ties when it’s not relevant, but when it is relevant, you might be. In other words, you might be in favor of engineering ties. Got it.
I have no problem with discussion, even if I seem to be coming down on a different side of the issue than other people. (And frankly, I’m not even sure that I am.) I just want clarity.
I agree and I’m sorry I created confusion. All I want is a healthy discussion, and the more we discuss, the more opportunity for clarity. If we find ourselves in a situation where tie-breaking becomes relevant, it is good for everyone to know how the mechanic works and might be used. To be honest, I’m also not entirely clear on that myself, but to outright dismiss it as a useless discussion smells bad in my book.
Maybe! I mean, I wouldn’t expect savvy scum to just call for his head right away here. But easing on to the bandwagon and prodding for a “reasonable” response is a smooth move scum can make. Maybe Dante G implodes and starts flailing around, maybe he doesn’t. But since day 1 is kind of a crapshoot, experienced scum can nudge the town towards someone perceived to be an easy lynch. I think Dante has since dispelled that notion, but I want to see if that net caught a fish or not.
My updated stats of participation so far, as of post 290.
Bayard IIIII IIIII II 12
Biotop IIIII IIIII IIIII III 18
Chronos IIIII IIIII IIIII I 16
Cygnus42 IIII 4
Dante G IIIII IIIII II 12
DiggitCamara IIIII II 7
Jimmy Chitwood IIIII IIIII 10
Johnny Bravo II 2
Jsexton IIIII IIIII IIIII III 18
Mahaloth IIIII IIIII I 11
Nonsuch IIIII IIIII III 13
Plumpudding IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I 31
Precambrianmollusc IIIII IIIII III 13
Prof. Pepperwinkle IIIII IIII 9
sangfroid IIIII 5
Sario IIIII I 6
septimus IIIII I 6
Texcat IIIII I 6
Thing Fish IIIII IIIII I 11
This seems plausible to me. A mafia vet wouldn’t toss out such an obvious mis-step like that, I think.
Finally got around to reading JSexton’s rationale for his Chronos vote. I think it’s premature, but I will allow this: Chronos took control of the discussion almost immediately, making some very forceful pro-Town arguments, and while I think they’re not workable in the end, he obviously knows his shit. He’s as safe a Town call as I can probably make now, so I’m not voting Chronos. Yet he’s also a player with the experience and skill to pull off a Scum Jedi Mind Trick on that scale. So … yeah. We’ll see. 
To me his post seems like an awfully weird thing to say at all. I just don’t see any motivation for it at all. And just to be clear, we don’t have any evidence of Dante G being a mafia vet, other than his own words. Most of his own words hasn’t really portayed him as a vet, IMO. This isn’t ment as a stab at you, nor a personal attack Dante G, it’s just something to keep in mind.
OK, if you are not a newbie, then I’m really interested in hearing your explanation of why voting someone for “no reason” is helpful to Town.
Still waiting on your response too, Sario.
In my past experiences, Day 1 votes almost always went no where. We very rarely lynched on Day 1, its just how we played. Day 1 votes were more or less filler talk and a means for players to check in and prove that they were present and playing the game. Real game strategy and evidence didn’t usually start being prevalent until after Night 1.
My reasoning behind a Vote for “no reason” was, like I said, a way to instigate chatter amongst the players. The “no reason” aspect meant that I had no evidence for or against the votee.
My vote for you was a radom Day One vote to try and spark off some conversation. As the conversation seems to be going good now, and I have no specific reason to suspect you I will Unvote Thing Fish.
Speaking of conversation, ours currently seems to be dominated by Plumpudding, but much of what he’s saying seems to be contradictory.
VOTE COUNT!
- Dante G (3 votes) - Mahaloth (214), DiggitCamara (216), Chronos (229)
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Chronos (2 votes) - Thing Fish (240), JSexton (280)
3t. Sangfroid (1 vote) - Dante G (217)
3t. Precambrianmollusc (1 vote) - Plumpudding (254)
Hi.
A couple of you have wandered into the Forbidden Thread. Please don’t do that.
(Note for Future Forbidden Threads: We should probably start the thread title with “Forbidden” and bury the word ‘mafia’ deeper in the thread title)
Yeah, I was one of those wanderers… sorry about that. Forgot about the rule.
Lunch break at the mill…
The tie rule seems favorable for the good guys. You are probably right about orchestrating a tie early in the game. The idea does seem challenging and likely to fail. However, if the opportunity arises…
That said, tie strategy could be of great importance to our town later in the game. With fewer players and a tight game, those “stubborn cats” might have to explain why they will not let themselves be herded.