So…first off, sorry I didn’t get on to post yesterday. I was following along a bit on my phone, but didn’t have time to get on and reply at any point.
Honestly, I was hoping that this Tie-voting plan would burn itself out yesterday…but it seems to be back in force today instead. It doesn’t seem like a very ‘Mafia’-way to play really. It seems like it’s more of an exploit / ‘clever use of game mechanics’ to me. I suspect that when **storyteller **came up with this tie mechanic, he probably just figured it would give us something to talk about on the first day, and not lead to a mass-tie / everyone vote for themselves deal.
Since the majority seems to be going along with it now, I’ll go along too - obviously it’d be considered anti-town to resist at this point.
Prior to all this, I was becoming more suspicious of Dante G - I was initially ready to write off his initial slip as just being excited for a new game. But, his followup posts seemed to just add to the confusion around him.
Maybe I’ll come back to that after we’re all done voting for ourselves…
To be clear, I never attacked Chronos for his initial discussion of the tiebreaker mechanic, nor for refining the mass tie plan. My vote was based on his response to me and his vote on Dante G.
No. At that point I’ll ask storyteller to replace me, as it’s no longer the game I signed up for. I’ll let someone who wants to play this new game, whatever it is, play.
This is an odd thing to verbalize. If you’re against it, be against it. It’s bee made clear by several players that they don’t like the plan and don’t intend to go along with. At least 5 of them, by my recollection, and unless you think that literally all 5 wolves just decided to stand together, there is almost certainly town in the group (from an outside perspective, not mine, of course).
So why not stand with them? After all, what Biotop is doing right now is asking people to vote on the plan via self voting, and he made it clear that he’s looking for more than a simple majority, he’s looking for near consensus. If you’re against it, you ought to feel free to vote against it. And yet you didn’t, and your explicit reason is to not appear anti-town, despite that not really being the case. Talk to me, Goose. Tell me why I shouldn’t vote for you.
I didn’t count up the number of people who are opposed and didn’t go along, honestly. I saw a series of posts questioning the plan, but going along with it anyway. I think that the way things are trending, there will be heavy scum-suspicion on the people who abstain for any reason.
My objection is the same as several others…it doesn’t really seem like ‘Mafia’ to me. This is my first time playing, but I have followed along with a couple games on this board before. So, I was expecting something different, I suppose.
Now, it’s entirely possible we go through this first game Day with a wacky tie scenario, and then back to something more ‘normal’ afterward, which is fine with me.
And now, I see **biotop **has unvoted himself - maybe reconsidering the plan?
You don’t think you’re giving up on it a bit too early? Seems to me like we’re in a game of dare in a game of mafia. Day One isn’t over yet. With everything that has happened thus far I wouldn’t be surprised to see a full turn-around.
Bayard – no idea
Biotop - leaning town re the whole tie break analysis
Chronos – leaning town for the tie break analysis, then again he has been on it from day one, for him to be scum we would have to assume he saw from the outset the tie break mechanism was beneficial to scum hence pushed it. Obviously he is an experienced and smart player, my feeling would be if he were a wolf he would not have pushed so hard early without knowing or thorough all the permutations .
Cygnus42
Dante G - the whole tipping hand thing, seams scummy.
DiggitCamara
Jimmy Chitwood
Johnny Bravo
Jsexton think their objection to the coordinated lynch comes more form a ‘play the game; perspective rather than a would trying to stop the coordination
Mahaloth– not sure
Nonsuch
Plumpudding -Seams to be a bit all over the place , throwing a lot of accusations out there, their reasoning may be bad, but I think it’s a genuine attempt to hunt for scum
Precambrianmollusc 13 the towniest town person you could ever hope to meet.
Prof. Pepperwinkle maintaining low profile
sangfroid kind of smudging those ( I think he was aiming at Chronos and Texcat) by calling the disagreements a wolf fight
Sario
septimus I agree with post 360 – scum can screw with us and get mis lynch and things rapidly go sideways, sure we get a would, but we lose the masons pretty quickly, then again like texcat, I can see it as a scum move , depends on motivation, which we cant know
Texcat had I have pretty much agreed from night zero that the coordinated lync is problematic to town. I could see a wolf not liking the scheme, I know I don’t but then , I know I am town, I don’t know what tex cat is. Slight scum lean for now
Thing - lots of discussion
I’m really disappointed that we have to do this in a newcomer game. The idea of the game was to let newcomers experience the game in a very simple, basic setup. Then, for a reason I do not get, we have to have a new tie-break mechanism instead of just a standard one.
I feel like a lot of newcomers will get the wrong impression of the game.
I still think the rule for tie-breakers should just change/revert to the normal system. If not, we should host(I could mod) another newbie game right after this one.
I’m surprised we went this route in a newbie game. I guess I can go along if we want, but now I’m not changing anything.
Like I said above, I think this tie scheme is an unintended / unforeseen side effect of what was supposed to be a simple discussion topic by the mod. Still 4 days until the end of day…things make change completely by then anyway.
If I get to moderate the next game, like I have mentioned before, I want to stick to a basic mafia type game. I think it would help not overwhelm some of the newer players. We’ll see how it goes.
I saw that there was a lot of sentiment for the vote-yourself plan to expose Alpha Wolf, and it seemed appropriate that proponents get a chance to pursue the plan, despite that it requires great cooperation. I tried a self-vote and indeed there was a large response.
I agree with Chronos that rules are rules and following the rules is a matter of degree. Information about tie-breaking rules is used all the time in Mafia; we’re merely going to a more extreme. Frankly I find comments about subbing out because this “isn’t Mafia” to be unsportsmanlike.
Despite the big flurry of self-votes I don’t think we’re going to get anywhere close to the threshold needed to proceed; this will probably end as a detour to stimulate discussion and get reactions. If we don’t get a large majority in favor within 24 hours, I suggest we back out, unvote ourselves, and revote the Scumliest.
Masons: Please just self-vote or not according to whether you like the plan. There is no need for the First Mason to reveal (with an unvote) until we are very close to unanimity.
I can only guess here but I think Story put the tie break in as a way to give the newbies a little extra info. I doubt he was expecting players to abuse it to the point of breaking the game.
Mahaloth articulates a lot of what I am thinking. This is feeling less like playing a game and more like finding myself trapped, Tron-like, in a theoretical model run amok, and I feel disappointed and a little bewildered. Obviously, a lot of you enjoy this style of play, but I don’t. I like the idea of playing a “clean” newbie game after this, assuming this one continues its plunge down the moneyball rabbit hole.
So my options are:
Go along with the plan
Ignore the plan, and vote my own way
Ask to be replaced
I am ruling out #3 and leaning #2 right now. I’m not ruling out #1 — I want our side to win, even if the path to victory doesn’t sound all that fun. But I’m giving myself time to think it over.
I’m willing to self-vote, though I agree that the method is a bit unorthodox. It is what we have to work with however, and our host has quite explicitly restated that the rules will stand as written.
No issue by me.
I do prefer to observe a bit more before voting though, as we still have ample time left.
The search for the real truth takes more than just one Day, and over-eager lynching most often takes out a fellow Townie and sometimes a power role in the first round. Not good, but the information gathered certainly can be.
That said, the two others who’ve dropped my name, Dante G and Precambrianmollusc have done so under the guises of “just because”, and that I suspect a diversionary wolf fight (which I do), respectively. I’ve yet to actually name any names myself.
Somebody here could use the spotlight treatment, but it isn’t me.
Now I have Primal Scream “movin’ on up” stuck in th ehead
I’m moving on up now, getting out of the darkness
My light shines on, my light shines on, my light shines on
for no real reason.
Anyway day one votes often kill a townie and they are often for shitty reason, not much that can be done about that, which is not to say one shouldn’t try to find the truth.
Voyes and going on record helps us , I don’t think a vote has to be final, but better to get them out there.
In my humble opinion.