Lord knows I have no desire to bring up the whole tie breaking storm again, but I would like to know just how ties are going to be settled as we are near Zero Hour. Especially as a tie looks remotely possible.
Yeah, uh, the best case scenario is probably to avoid a tie. Unfortunately, I’m not about to help with that.
unvote Dante G
vote TexCat
As it becomes more likely that it will come down to septimus and TexCat (most of the recent discussion being on that subject), I think it’s better to at least get us back to square one to talk about it. I’ve reread each of them once and come away without a super strong inclination.
I still prefer the case against Dante as easily the more likely to avoid a wasted lynch, but I’m voting TexCat over septimus, for two reasons: I don’t understand the case against septimus and I do understand his responses to the case[s] against him, and I feel obligated to make the percentage play given that I think it’s pretty likely we’re about to lynch a townsperson if no votes change; and I do think there’s some sense in the arguments against TexCat’s objections to the plan. Most notably, there were at least a couple of objections (#337’s investigating the Alpha and #383’s “how will it kill 2 wolves”) which clearly didn’t have a lot of thought behind them, which is notable in the context of a very analytical discussion in which she had a clear opinion. A wolf would have had a reason to start with a conclusion first and try to gin up the reasoning to support it.
Thanks for unvoting me, Jimmy. I am definitely town. A out of practice towni, but a townie all the same.
The cases against Texcat and Septimus are both fairly strong. I’m still staying with my vote for SSeptimus mainly because I don’t want to keep flip flopping around. If Septimus turns up town, well then, next Day phase we can go after Texcat unless a better candidate comes along.
This is the main reason I leave my vote on septimus.
- Finds a flaw in the plan which actually might make it more favorable to the Wolves
- After the “plan” peters out, gives it a jump-start to get it rolling again despite
- Not having a real argument to discount the flaw he pointed out in the plan
Which, basically, amounts to seeing an advantage in the “plan” (for Wolves) and therefore convincing Town to adopt it.
OK, time to hunt some wolf. Here are the little buckets I’ve sorted you all into.
Pretty All Right, As Far As That Goes
I don’t wholly trust anyone, but the following have more or less allayed my suspicions for now:
Biotop
Chronos
… and, well, that’s it. These cats have posted actively and maintained a consistent enough pro-Town profile that I have no basis to suspect them, nor have they pinged my scum-dar in any particular way. Yet.
Getting the Stink-Eye from Me
Plumpudding
I don’t get a strong pro-scum feeling from him, actually, but I’ve found some of Plumpudding’s posts confusing and poorly worded, beyond the ones where he admitted he misspoke. (Miswrote?) You can see pages 14 and 15 where I questioned him on this. He’s made no overt scum tells to my mind, but I get leery when I feel I have to decipher vague posts or if there may be a correction/clarification imminent.
JSexton
Came out very quickly against Chronos in the early hours of the tie-breaker plan, for reasons that never felt entirely solid to me. He’s since revised that vote, of course, and I also spoke out against the forced-tie strategy so I’m not dinging him for that. But I felt his quick denunciation of Chronos carried a whiff of something that might be wolf musk, or it might just be the reek of the ol’ tanning shed here in Ceciltown.
DanteG
His original “close to the vest” post felt too obvious to be a scum slip, but since then I’ve found him shifty and quick to blame his ambiguous posts on being a newbie to SMDB. Which, yeah, that could all be true. But it’s starting to feel like it’s something else.
Septimus & TexCat
This is not as cut and dried to me as it seems to be to others. If you’re debating a complex strategy in real time, then of course people are going to poke and prod it for holes, try to refine it, get things wrong and end up suggesting things that might, on balance, be worse. We don’t all play moneyball on the same level, after all. But it’s not something that can be ignored, and I think the case against TexCat has some weight to it. I think if one were trying to appear to go along with the plan while subtly working against it, that’s more or less how it would look.
No Overt Scum Tells, But No Strong Town Feelings Either
Bayard
Mahaloth
sangfroid
Sario
Thing Fish
Haven’t Said a Whole Hell of a Lot
Cygnus42
DiggitCamera
Jimmy Chitwood
Johnny Bravo
Precambrianmollusc
Prof. Pepperwinkle
Anyway, unless I pick a random lurker out of the bag — which would not contribute much to the discussion, to say nothing of exposing me to accusations of rank hypocrisy, given my recent absence — I pretty much am stuck climbing on one bandwagon or another. Perils of late voting, I guess. That’s OK, I can accept that. So here goes:
vote DanteG
Since I’m the one who has made the most detailed case against him, I’ll ask: what parts do you not understand?
I’m not sure that I agree it’s that detailed or multi-faceted. You lay out the case here:
and here:
, I believe. There’s more later, but it’s about things that septimus said in response to your vote, not about the things he did that led you to vote.
Basically, what I’m reading is that you think he’s trying to have it both ways as far as the tie-breaking scheme is concerned, and he’s flip-flopping. But who has participated in the conversation about the tie-breaker and not gone back and forth to some extent? It’s day one of a Mafia game and a weird tiebreaking scheme that could maybe, or maybe not, have cracked the game open was under discussion… calling it gaming the system and saying probably some things would go wrong is what I would expect pretty much anyone to say. In the course of composing my previous post, where I voted for TexCat, I flip-flopped between voting for her, voting for septimus, and not changing my vote like seven times. I expect… fluidity… at this point.
I don’t read his explanatory post the same way you do, and your response does not delineate, for me, what it is that he’s doing there that you think a wolf would be especially likely to do. From my reading of that post, it isn’t obvious to me what scum septimus would be going for. I mean, it’s a bit disjointed and hamfisted, and I don’t love “Because I got high” as an explanation for Mafia behaviors, but it has seemed to me that as between septimus and his detractors on the subject of septimus’ actions so far this Day, septimus has been reasonably convincing. I would also note that in the post that prompted your vote, he was following up on JSexton’s question to provide more of his thoughts, and then he provided more information about what his own mindset was on a related point. Which are things I would expect Town to want to do.
I also think Dante is scum, and noted that he latched right onto your case against septimus because of “reasons,” which doesn’t lessen my uncertainty about the case.
- No it’s not (not entirely, at any rate).
- Even if it were, responses to votes are an important thing to consider.
It strikes me as odd that you would dismiss post #531 entirely.
So you haven’t *put *me on ignore, but you are ignoring me? When have I lied? I once made a mistake, I agree, though now I’m unsure if it was. Sorry, I’ve been quite forthcoming during the game. I can’t say the same for you.
If you believe what you and Thing Fish said is the same, *you *are the one that’s delusional. But I don’t actually think that you are. You are scum.
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No there weren’t. Some people posited that there was a very small possibility that it might be able for wolves to get our numbers down enough to win, but I wholehartedly believe that that would not actually happen. To many wolves would die early in the game, most likely their most important first, and the information from that would likely give the rest away.
I may be eager, and I may be aggressive, but that is just who I am. I have not lied, and so far all I’ve posted is either things I find suspicious and/or my theories around that. I may not be doing myself any favours, but I don’t actually need to.
Sure, that’s fair, responses to votes are fair game. They don’t make the original case make more sense, though, is my point. There’s enough heat on septimus at this point that he’s co-leading the lynch vote, and what I’m getting at is that the source of the heat doesn’t seem to me to be especially clearly set out.
I think you should quote the whole post, and you not doing that makes me feel you slippery to the touch. And why did you put a few dots there, instead of a snip of some sort? I haven’t promoted any tactic using post-counts at all. I am keeping it up there for reasons stated. Go back, read and reply.
I made my post to Nonsuch to tell him that I felt any case made against him because of his post-count is stupid and that I don’t support it. I’m leaning town on Nonsuch, although I would prefer he post more. I haven’t always agreed with him, although sometimes, and atleast he hasn’t done any harm. He’s also been explaining himself fairly well. You on the other hand, have not.
Jsexton’s motive for voting Chronos was because of meta, the same reason you have been having a problem with him. The difference is he voted because of fun/nofun and you voted on him because of “I’ve played Mafia with him before”. You two are not in the same boat.
I want to look at post 456 abit closer.
That is meta, and not relevant. Please leave it outside. This is a new game, whatever he has done, whichever role he has had, it doesn’t matter here and now.
What he might be, no one knows, but it’s quite likely he is town. If he is not, he’s a damn good canine.
He proposed it in the first place. He gave the first push that made the snowball into an avalanche. He was also with us along the way all to the end.
Here you say something that no one can actually confirm. I didn’t see it at once. Many others probably didn’t. And your say so is not enough to convince me.
You were the first to self-vote, and I’ve outlined why I find that suspicious in earlier posts. Why the rest are supposedly suspicious, I don’t know. Could you explain that. Remember, I self voted, and I don’t think I’m acting very suspiciously. Maybe you disagree.
Why did you, who haven’t contributed at all to the discussion of the plan, feel like instigating it?
For whom did it set a trap? The plan was mostly dead in the water when you acted “impulsively” or “compulsively”?
Johnny Bravo covered this bit. 531
I think more than you can blame that. Me included!
No dice! You don’t expect to be able to lynch him, so you go out looking for a comfortable wagon to sit on while hoping to not have to explain why, while at the same time still not giving a satisfactory explanation for why you think **Chronos **is scum.
Backpedalling? I never stated which iteration of the plan I supported, apart from my own interpretation, which would have exposed all masons eventually. I’ve been for discussing the plan all along. The plan got progressively better and, using it having a much greater chance at being an advantage for town than scum, has been my position all along. In it 's final stages it would have been, in my opinion, to great for scum to play around. Too much of an advantage.
We’re on page 12. What are you talking about?
I forget that not everyone’s view of the boards breaks down the same. See my post here, and then this one here.
I answered thhe first one with post 269, please read it again, and the second one, with post 283 and 288, in which I tried to say I’m for discussing it, even if it may benefit town or not. As I said, and that’s a direct quote:
Do you not understand this? Is this hard to understand? It doesn’t really matter anyway, if you think I stink, do that. I think we have more important stuff to think about.
They are awfully close. And besides, I don’t find either of our statements scummy. What’s up with that?
Yes, but I was clearly referring to Biotop’s plan, in this response not to you, but to Thing Fish. I was pointing out the disadvantages before Chronos chimed in at all. And here you clearly say that there were not any disadvantages at all, when there clearly were.
I find this continued lying and mischaracterization intolerable.
**unvote Septimus
vote Plumpudding
**
I believe septimus. No huge reason why, but I do. And if he has me fooled, good for him. I think septimus is Town.
Dude, we’re kind of guessing and always are. Your suspicions are as good as ours. Don’t let experienced people guide you in your votes.
Meeko, who can be very prolific, is quieter when scum. I think even prolific people can be found to quiet down or shorten their explanations in order to appear calm and collected.
Except peeker, who did whatever no matter what. A truly unreadable player. 
Unless I miscounted, you did help that. By my count, septimus and TexCat were tied before your vote, and so you broke the tie. It looks like TexCat is currently ahead by 2, with TexCat 6, septimus 4, and Dante and JSexton each at 3.
Yeah, you forgot the entire rest of Thing Fish’s post.
You have been arguing about the same “disadvantages” in some kind of way ever since Biotop posted his plan, and you’ve never explained WHY you believe that, even after many posters have posted substantial posts arguing why that is not true. To be honest, you still are choosing to not respond to the meat of my posts, continuing to pick pieces here and there. Why would you do that, instead of being forthcoming?
I’m not lying, I’m asking you questions you refuse to answer. If you feel it as untolerable, answer my questions.