[Yikes. Hit Post before I had finished getting my thoughts in order. In the interest of transparency, I will leave the incomplete post as is and fill in the missing bits here.]
Thing Fish makes a strong case for #1. The only problem I have with it is I don’t see why septimus should have been targeted in the first place, or indeed, how scum could have engineered such a sweeping, under-the-radar pile-on. I agree with Biotop: I don’t think the other side had any inkling septimus was Guardian. I don’t dismiss Thing Fish’s case, but am not on board yet.
Option 2: a TexCat save. This seems more likely for the obvious reason that, assuming TexCat is scum, her fellow scum might have either ginned up the case against septimus and/or sneakily voted for him to spare her the lynch. It seems, in fact, about the closest thing to a classic scum play — effective yet logically impossible to prove or disprove — I’ve seen so far.
Option 3: This doesn’t leave as much to talk about, but given the mad jumble of those last hours, I suppose anything is possible. But at some point, you have to draw a line and come to the strongest conclusion you have with the evidence on hand.
“When”? I am not so confident.
And finally:
Mea culpa. Having already voted for DanteG, I don’t think I could have directly swayed the vote against septimus; he wasn’t 100% town in my book, but the case against him certainly seemed light compared to some others. Be that as it may, I don’t want to make another “set it and forget it” vote. I’m making the call that makes the most sense to me now, and will revise it if and when new information and analysis comes along.
Nonsuch: I have voted for TexCat and I will hold that vote unless given a better reason. Reread my post. The “when” I am talking about is based on *if *a wolf was going after TexCat. In such a case she would hardly be wolf.
No problem. I am just trying to quell my anger at myself over my terrible end of Day 1 performance. So I am a bit touchy.
If some of our quiet players do not start posting soon I think a good strategy will be to assume the worst and add them to the lynching queue. I work a full time job and am typing this from my additional volunteer radio job, so if I can find time to post a lot why cannot others make the time to at least post a little? Scared of screwing up and drawing attention to their scumminess is my guess.
I don’t have time right now, but I will get back with a post going through why I lean scum on TexCat. Frankly, I think it’s strange she’s still alive, as she looked to me like an obvious Day One lynch. I’m gonna go all the way back, show all the reasons I don’t trust her again, hope you guys actually read my posts and hope for the best.
Vote TexCat
For reasons that are obvious to me, but not to you apparently. More to come.
OOG: This is directed at Thing Fish and a few others. Gender has nothing to do with Mafia. I think it’s pretty shitty of you to accuse me of sexism and I don’t understand what kind of motives I would supposedly have for doing that. TexCat, if you feel I’ve attacked you because of your gender, I’m sorry. That was not my intention. My intention was to attack you because of bullshit reasoning, baseless votes and defensive posts dripping with fake outrage and exclamation marks(hyperbole!). Yes, you can read something about a posters emotional state, fake or sincere, by how they word their posts! How is that news? If a player defensively calls their accusers “liars!” or proclaming all accusations against them is “hyperbole!”, I’m gonna think that person is hysterical. Thing Fish, I’m not gonna sit around and wait for an apology, but get a grip.
Geez. Plumpudding, if you are town, I hope you will take this in the spirit it’s intended – I would expect, sooner or later, for you to be lynched if you keep making this stuff personal while accusing other people of taking it personally. That’s what will happen, because people won’t want to deal with it and it will seem, at the very least, not helpful to town that it’s happening.
This “again” and “read” and “not to you, apparently” stuff is, frankly, bullshit, and you’ve been doing it consistently at basically everyone who interacts with you. If you think you’re in a figurative room full of people who aren’t reading posts and aren’t thinking about them, you’ve missed a trick.
I’m not going to spend a lot of time on your breakdown of my case on septimus since you aren’t directly accusing me of anything, other than to say this:
On Day 1, it’s almost a given that you’re not going to catch someone out on a legit scum slipup. My case on septimus was about him being inconsistent and making poor decisions. Scum sometimes overexplain themselves when they’re caught out in bad decisions. I was hoping that these inconsistent and poor decisions were the result of a wolf in sheep’s clothing. It turns out that they weren’t, but that doesn’t make his reasoning any more acceptable, and it ended up culminating in a guardian who didn’t claim until two minutes before deadline.
So that’s it for that, but it does lead us into some other questions.
Meanwhile, despite my case being apparently “ludicrous,” I can’t find anywhere on Day 1 where you actually decided to break it down except when you said that you were “near certain” that septimus was town. If it was so ludicrous, why didn’t you point that out **before **we lynched him? When you were certain that he was town?
When you switched your vote to Texcat late in the day (to “defend” septimus), Plumpudding asked you to explain your switch. You never did - at least not when it mattered. For the person who was the most sure (“near certain,” remember) of his innocence, you weren’t too invested in keeping him alive.
Anyway, I think there’s a good case to be made for Texcat with all the vote switching at the end of the day, and a lot to think about in Nonsuch’s breakdown of the votes that were following the mob rather than making good cases.
I also think there’s a lot to think about with your claims of near-certainty and your hindsight championing of septimus.
No need to throw out a vote yet. We have several days to go before nightfall and I have more reading to do.
Texcat = 3 (Biotop, Nonsuch, Plumpudding)
Dante = 1 (Prof. Pepperwinkle)
Plumpudding = 1 (Dante)
Thingfish = 1 (Precam.)
JSexton = 1 (Mahaloth)
I’m not sure if I’m going to stick with my vote for Plum at this time. I need to do some more thinking on this one.
I had my own eye on JSexton yesterDay, but he kind of slipped off the radar in the midst of the TexCat/septimus fracas. I do want to go back over the record and am interested in hearing Mahaloth’s thoughts as well.
This is an odd approach. Why on earth would you think that scum engineered a lynch AND did the nightkill based on roles? I mean, you saw the lead up to septimus’s lynch, same as everyone. I didn’t think there was any hint of his role until his claim, which came to late to save him. And Chronos…you think Chronos was killed because he was a mason? That’s odd to me. I think it’s much more likely that Chronos was killed because several players considered him strongly town, now that I think of it. But that’s the point, I haven’t spent much time pondering it.
This is a really quality, townie post. I disagree with a couple minor points (notably, your switch to protect septimus is a bit self-serving to say now) but overall, an excellent summation that matches up pretty well with my re-read. Strongly advise everyone to carefully read this post and consider the implications.
Yes, same as yesterDay. I voted jsexton because he went after Chronos for his game-breaking(bending) idea of voting for ourselves. While I disagreed with the idea, I did think it was townie to suggest it. Turns out I was right.
And prof. because of his late vote that screwed us.
Jsexton is, in my opinion, the best lynch for today.
Man, I feel like I’ve addressed this a dozen times already. My vote for Chronos had very little to do with the idea, although I wasn’t happy about it for meta reasons, it didn’t make me think he was scum, particularly. My vote was because I thought his response misrepresented me pretty badly, and for his bandwagony vote on Dante G.
See, now, this is something that I cannot agree with. A player, in this case JSexton, voting for players for different reasons other than being scum. Why? Why would you do this? It just seems awfully shady to vote for someone just because you feel they “misrepresented” you.
If you think they are scum, vote for them. If they are calling you out or making you look bad, don’t use that as your reason for voting. It makes no sense.
The plan Chronos proposed was something I disliked for meta reasons, but it did not make me think he was scum.
He misrepped me, which IS scummy. I don’t think I have to elaborate why intentionally misrepresenting someone (as opposed to an honest mis reading) is a scum move.
And then he hopped on your bandwagon, also scummy, which is the point at which I voted.
3 things, two of which led me to think he was scum.