Actually, a counter-claim to two masons would be quite suicidal. After all, we are all assuming there is only one scum left.
What if there is only 1 mason left?
You’re right. We have been assuming there were 3 masons from the start, but it is conceivable there only were 2 to start.
However, I think that’s unlikely. The masons have their own victory condition, remember? And that would have been completely unreachable, unless there were at least 3 masons to start with (even that way, they needed to have tons of luck to win over town and scum).
Hi everyone, I’m back from my mini-vacation! I miss anything?
Oh…well, crap. Sorry to see you go, Millet.
However, it can’t be looked upon as a total loss from the town’s perspective. After all, if the scum killed a non-mason last night, then it would be all but lost for the town (I think).
That’s right, isn’t it? We would’ve had three masons, the recruit, and one town remaining. The masons would’ve voted as a block and easily taken the game. So now at least the town has a fighting chance (As pointed out, this all assumes three masons and four scum to start).
I’m also guessing that the recruit was not a mason, since mason-scum could’ve ensured a mason win by killing non-mason town last night.
Ok, lots to catch up on and process…hopefully more later, if not, then I’ll be returning to work tomorrow…Lord knows I have enough free time there. 
Remind me if the Dr. can protect to some degree against recruitment or just death?
At some point someone made the same question. Since I can’t find the relevant post, I’ll quote from the “Role-Book”:
Like I said: someone asked whether “harm” meant if the Doctor could protect herself from enrollment. Gadarene said she couldn’t protect herself (or anyone else, for that matter) from enrollment.
First, sorry to see you go Millit. I thought your spreadsheet was very helpful, so thanks for that.
Hm, I’ve been assuming it was the second. The no-kill two nights ago was either a recruitment, tirial blocking the kill, or the mafia choosing not to kill at all. If tirial is the recruit and was recruited before two nights ago that would only leave them choosing not to kill. I’m not sure they would do this even if they thought it would throw us off.
If they had already recruited and had killed two nights ago that would have left us with 4 town and 2 mafia yesterday. If they then managed to get a townie lynched yesterday they would have gone into today 2 mafia vs 2 town. If they thought it out, and I don’t think Blaster Master is the type of person to miss an odds question, I think they would have preferred the chances of pulling that off rather than choosing not to kill.
Of course, maybe that’s what they wanted us to think.
This is all assuming that Blaster Master was the only original scum remaining. I think the best evidence of that is if a recruitment happened two nights ago.
And, like I explained yesterDay, it actually made good sense to forgo killing during that night. For two reasons:
- It would leave lingering doubt in everyone’s minds as to when the recruiting had happened, providing tirial with perfect cover to the end
- The 4 town and 2 mafia scenario would be perfect for them… as long as they had a guaranteed hit on a mason. Otherwise it would be 3 masons, 1 townie and 2 scum, which would increase the masons could unite to hit scum. And they would pretty much have no trouble, since they would have had a (nearly) perfect majority to vote.
There is another reason I think tirial is the recruit.
- Read Blaster Master’s response when he saw how the vote went:
(highlight mine).
- Now, if the remaining “original” scum believes his side is going to lose, he probably thinks his recruit doesn’t have a very good cover.
There are flaws with your reasoning. If I was the recruit on the first night, why on earth would I have worked to get Rachm Qoch and Lemur866 lynched? Why wouldn’t any of the scum have joined in on pushing for Idle, who I honestly throught was the recruit? And why on earth would I have shot my credibility by going after Idle unless I thought he was, because it was pretty obvious that if he wasn’t I would not be trusted.
To my mind the second night would make more sense. If there were four scum to start with, and they hadn’t already recruited, they would have to - being down to one scum, what better time is there? It also means their recruit has not left a scum trail, and would be harder to find.
And yes I thought Millet was a mason - I’ve had an idea on who they were since Day 4, although one of the details was wrong and I’ve revised my guess in the last few game days. You see, at that point I was wondering if you were a mason. I have no intention of outing them before they choose to do so themselves.
Or it means he knows that
a) I will continue going after you, which would mean that your cover wasn’t very good.
and b) he’s got a basic knowledge of math - 4 on 1 with two masons isn’t good odds for a scum to hide in.
Of the three, I can only grant you one “point”.
Lemur866 was (to me, at least), clearly a “gimme” from scum to town.
- The third vote was from Rachm. That makes no sense (at the time) since SnakesCatLady was “available” as a distraction vote. BlasterMaster voted for him as well. Both of them, had they voted for SnakesCatLady could easily have swayed the towns vote in that direction. And the only reason they would do that is to provide cover for themselves.
- Idle Thought was pointing, the whole time, in your direction. Actually scum needed for him to succeed with his witch hunt against **SnakesCatLady **to discredit his point against you. And 'til then he was a very good distraction, at least.
I don’t have a theory as to Rachm. Though, at the time, only Blaster Master, me, you and **Rachm **. And you were working, hard at the time, to get me as well.
Anyway, my theory (of the early recruitment, with a recent feint) wouldn’t work unless you were working hard to get scum.
There is, however, a point that I simply can’t see townies doing:
*Why would an honest townie construct great parts of her argument against someone out of quotes out of context? And put those quotes out of context in a way that they sometimes practically mean the opposite of their original meaning?
*
Well, I for one don’t actually think scum are stupid.
Look: how much sense would it make for scum to recruit the one townie who has made it his life mission (or at least his game-Life mission 
) to get you lynched? You who are unkillable by night. Whose theory involves complex actions by scum which most other townies seem to be unable to accept?
You have that a bit backward. If you read the posts you will see that Idle didn’t go after me seriously until I started going after him thinking he was recruited. What really convinced me he was recruited was his campaign against SCL - where his entire argument seemed to be based on unsafe ground (e.g. scum’s last posts.)
And in what way did him succeeding with his witchhunt against SCL affect his views on me? If the majority of players at any point in this have stopped thinking I am the recruit I have yet to notice - even when I think the actual recruit went off the night before last.
I thought you were scum then, I still think you are scum. At least I am being consistant.
Frankly I can see a choice of two players in this who were recruited, but that as I said is based on my best guess of masons and the knowledge I was not the recruit.
By the way, who originally raised the idea that lemur866 was a “gimme” to the town? Its not something I believe, so why do you think they would sacrifice a member if they don’t have to?
If they needed it to succeed so much, then why didn’t they vote for her? Blaster and Rachm did not vote for SCL. Rachm voted for you at the end of the day (much as he voted for Lemur at the end of a day and Blastermaster at the end of his lynch day). Blastermaster didn’t vote. You didn’t vote for SCL either.
Also interesting phrasing: “And 'til then he was a very good distraction, at least.”
Presumably you mean for the scum…
Rachm’s votes:
Day 1 omi no kami
Day 2 projammer
Day 3 fluid
Day 4 fluid
Day 5 lemur
Day 6 Lemur
Day 7 Diggit
Day 8 Blastermaster
Note that he has consistantly voted for scum 5 out of 8 votes, usually towards the end of a day. You are the only surviving player who’s status is unknown on that list.
Now the issue I have is that you started looking scummy to me much earlier than the night before last. Its possible Rachm voted you thinking that if you were then recruited, you would be off the hook. However I do wonder if you were recruited earlier, because you seem very certain that the recruit occurred on the third no-kill night, when it seems logical as far as I can see for the scum to have waited until the night before last.
What’s your point, concerning Idle? Ever since he noticed your outing he mentioned you, consistently, on his “probably sucm” list. You simply weren’t high priority until you went after him. And the same applies to me, by the way. Until I voted for him he simply conformed himself with putting us on his “probable scum” list.
And as to “I thought you were scum then, I still think you are scum”… actually, it’s not even true. You thought I was “original scum” … until today, that is. According to you there’s no way there was recruitment before the Night before last. And I outed you the Day before that. As far as I can tell, you started suspecting my scumminess during that Day. How can you reconcile:
- Suspicion of my scumminess since the Day before the “only logical recruitment Night”
- Suspicion of my being “original scum”, not “recruited scum”
- All “original scum” have been lynched by now (at least, that has been the general consensus thus far)?
And, on the last point you make, Millit was the one who originally raised the idea that lemur866 was a “gimme” to the town.
A last note: *How do you explain your use of my quotes out of context? It’s a point I raised before and I’ll continue raising it. It’s simply not a valid strategy for townies. *
Just checking in to say that I’ve been a bit distracted over the past couple of days. My (only) developer got in a nasty motorcycle accident yesterday and is in ICU.
I don’t need to sub out or anything drastic like that, just an fyi.
Oof…sorry to hear that. Hope everything works out ok, Cookies.
Me, I haven’t been posting much simply because I’m a bit clueless at the moment. My brain says the recruit is tirial, but my gut is thinking someone more low-key. But it really could be anyone. Argh…ponder ponder ponder…
I hope everything turns out OK Cookies.
I’m having a hard time making heads or tails of the game now. So few of us are left, but when I go down the list I could see anyone being recruited. The only thing that seems to narrow it down is that it doesn’t seem like a mason was recruited.
Waiting for today (in game) to start I was thinking they would have probably wanted to recruit a mason since there was some built in trust from other masons, but now that Millit was killed and was a mason I’ve been rethinking this. After giving it more thought I don’t think they would want to recruit a mason at all, especially if the recruit happened two nights ago instead of a while ago. If I understand the rules correctly it would seem that recruiting a mason would be more likely to cost them the game rather than help. Since the masons keep their loyalty to the masons even if recruited a recruited mason would want to get the non-mason townies killed but also the other scum. If they could arrange it they would like the masons to be in a majority at the end-game for a mason victory instead of a mafia one. If the recruitment happened two nights ago and Blaster Master was the last scum he would have figured that if he was lynched the masons would have a majority today if a non-mason townie was killed the next night. At that point a recruited mason could let their mason loyalty override their mafia loyalty and play for a mason win instead. If he had a guess at who the masons were I think he would have recruited a non-mason with this in mind.
Of course, he could have been wrong about who the masons are and recruited one by mistake, but if so why would they have killed Millit?
So, I don’t think a mason was recruited, unless I’m misunderstanding the rules somehow and a recruited mason must play for a mafia win. Here’s the mason role description:
I’m not sure what to think about tirial and the points Diggit has made. I’m still having a hard time accepting that the mafia would choose not to kill. The only reason they would do it is if they were really desperate and thought it was their only chance. I can only see this happening if they recruited tirial earlier, but even then I’m not sure they would risk it. Their odds of saving both Blaster Master and the recruit going into day 9 was better if they had killed someone.
With that said, tirial was the most likely recruit up until the no-kill two nights ago, especially once Idle Thoughts turned out to be town. If there was an early recruit it was probably her. If the recruit was two nights ago, though, the only reason I think they might have recruited her was that the no-kill/recruitment would point away from her, and they might have thought that she would be cleared.
Sorry to hear that Cookies. Hope (s)he recovers.
Man, that’s bad news. I still remember my own nasty car accident a year and a half ago. I hope (s)he recovers soon.
From a purely pragmatical side, a mason recruit two days ago would have, at least, insured his/her win.
There would have been: 2 masons, 1 scum, one hybrid scum/mason and 3 citizens. After the lynch , it would have been 2 masons, one hybrid scum/mason, 3 citizens.
If the scum/mason had killed a citizen, it would have been
2 masons, one hybrid, 2 citizens.
During the day, the masons could have lynched without cooperation. Leaving 1 citizen, 2 masons, one hybrid. At this point, the hybrid would pretty much have won. Either by killing the citizen or by leaving things as they were (no-kill vote, for instance). Next day would have been a citizen lynch, and entering that night there would have been 3 masons left. Either way the hybrid wins (whether the others lynch him/her or not), since (s)he shares both in mason and scum wins.