Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler

[Lemur866]

@dnooman

This really pings my scumdar. You’ve targeted both of the people that are garnering the most attention, and you’ve posited that if one isn’t scum then the other is. Is it so unthinkable that two townies could be fighting? Townies don’t know who anyone else is, yet the Mafia are free to cause infighting because it can only benefit them.

I think you chose the two highest targets, and went with the highest vote getter for your “lean”. You seem to be swooping down on this situation, and you seem to be trying to manipulate it.

Huge FOS towards Projammer. I had a null opinion about you until now, you’re painting targets on peoples backs now.

I have several other suspicions, but I feel it best for those people to keep digging their own graves rather than let them know that they are acting inappropriately.

The main point against Projammer is this pile-on vote. That doesn’t look good. I agree with your suspicion here.

One more thing, I want to try to defend Lightning a bit. Not that he’s neccesarily innocent, but that he’s been piled on massively. Of course, that’s on obvious scum play, but too obvious. The real scum aren’t going to go nuts on one player this early, that’s a dead giveaway once they lynched Lightning and reveal he’s a citizen. Plus, he’s been an active participant, and I want to steer suspicion back to the players who are providing no information. No information isn’t a scum tell, but it’s still providing no information. Players who provide no information are either scum or dead weight.

So. Let’s look at our post count list again, listing only players. Note that this list includes signup, rules questions, banter from before the game started and before role assignments were given out, and content-free posts.

NAF1138 44
Idle Thoughts 27
Lemur866 26
Omi no Kami 26
Blaster Master (Replaces percussion with 1 post) 21
fluiddruid 21
ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 20
dnooman 18
Projammer 15
DiggitCamara 15
nesta 14
SnakesCatLady 12
Lightnin’ 12
Millit the Frail 11
Hal Briston 11
Kyrie Eleison 10
Rachm Qoch 8
tirial (replaces Achren with 5 posts) 6
percypercy 6
CaerieD 5

I’m inclined NOT to vote for people in the top half of the list, more inclined to vote for the people in the bottom half of the list. Tirial gets half an out for being a sub…but only half.

This means the lurkingest posters are CaerieD, percypercy, and Rachm Qoch. FOS upon them! I say, FOS! These are the people we should be prodding with sharp sticks until they say, “Ow! Quit it!”

In that spirit, I vote CaerieD.

Not only the lowest count poster, but all her posts were vague musings. I’ll unvote her if she provides some content we can sink our teeth into.

[Gadarene]

I’m gonna be gone for most of the rest of the day, so here’s an updated Vote Count.

4 – Lightnin’ (NAF1138, Idle Thoughts, dnooman, Projammer)
2 – NAF1138 (Hal Briston, Lightnin’)
2 – Omi No Kami (Rachm Qoch, Kyrie Eleison)
1 – Idle Thoughts (Blaster Master)
1 – percypercy (DiggitCamara)
1 – CaerieD (Lemur866)
1 – Kyrie Eleison (Omi No Kami)
1 – DiggitCamara (percypercy)
1 – nesta (ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)

That was slightly rushed because I’m out the door, but I’m 99 percent sure it’s completely accurate. Feel free to check my math, however.

[CaerieD]

@Lemur866

This means the lurkingest posters are CaerieD, percypercy, and Rachm Qoch. FOS upon them! I say, FOS! These are the people we should be prodding with sharp sticks until they say, “Ow! Quit it!”

In that spirit, I vote CaerieD.

Not only the lowest count poster, but all her posts were vague musings. I’ll unvote her if she provides some content we can sink our teeth into.

[Color removed]

There’s nothing to sink our teeth into in the first round, though. Other than to comment on the suspicious nature of those around us, which I have done. I haven’t filled the thread with a bunch of chatter on the random vote versus slightly less random vote debate, which is where the majority of “content” has been coming from. :dubious: If you’ll look at my post count and how many posts I’ve been making on the board in general, you’ll note that I don’t post very much anyway. The majority of my posts in the last game were trying to post vote summaries, which I did repeatedly because I lacked an edit function. It was embarrassing, but without that I probably would have had about four posts in that game, too.

Seeing as how not only were my number of posts exaggerated, but the nature of them as well, I’m going to vote Omi No Kami. While I’m still suspicious of fluiddruid and Idle Thoughts, the mischaracterization really makes me wonder. Which was what made me suspicious of Idle Thoughts to begin with, as well.

[Projammer]

@dnooman

This really pings my scumdar. You’ve targeted both of the people that are garnering the most attention, and you’ve posited that if one isn’t scum then the other is. Is it so unthinkable that two townies could be fighting? Townies don’t know who anyone else is, yet the Mafia are free to cause infighting because it can only benefit them.

I think you chose the two highest targets, and went with the highest vote getter for your “lean”. You seem to be swooping down on this situation, and you seem to be trying to manipulate it.

Huge FOS towards Projammer. I had a null opinion about you until now, you’re painting targets on peoples backs now.

I had missed your vote for Lightnin and was thinking mine was the majick number three vote that is supposed to be one of the big tells.

Unthinkable that two townies are going at each other? Hardly. Also a possibility that it’s two scum doing a stage play to move out of the lurker field. And sacrificing one would put the other in a prominant anti-scum light. Though I really doubt that’s the case. I don’t think they’d have the numbers to just throw one away like that. Not to mention that they haven’t had a night strategy session yet.

Correct me if I’m wrong though. They can only discuss strategy at night?

No targets, just verbalizing my thoughts. Subtlety was never my strong point.

[percypercy]

Okay, I’m afraid we’re having a lot of infighting among the townies(carefully avoiding ‘us townies’ since that’s what got me to vote for diggit in the first place)

Could we each explain why we’re voting why we’re voting the way we are, just once again so it’ll be in one spot? As for me, I think I’m going to reduce my vote to a FOS.
so…

Unvote DiggitCamera

And FOS DiggitCamera, for his comments in post 176

I’m also concerned about some of the things that Lightnin’ has done, but I’m not prepared to cast a vote for him.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

For me, the most interesting thing said in the past 24 RL hours has been. Idle Thoughts’ idle thoughts about the technique used for role assignments and assuming that fluiddruid had been given a creamy chocolate vs vanilla center in post #387.

I would have assumed that everyone would know that roles would be assigned at random by any GM with a soul. Which leads me to Hal, who’s follow up question to Gadrene in the same vein I also found interesting. My gut reaction is that neither of them would legitimately ponder in this manner, so their behavior is raising a flag for me.

As for my vote for nesta, I’m perfectly comfortable if people want to consider that vote as retalitory, and here is why. Another of my first day strategy goes like this. This early in the game, I’m confident in one thing. Myself. So it is a valid strategy, this early in the game, to target anyone who targets me, either directly or indirectly, which nesta has done both. Nesta has voted for me and we disagree strategically. I could have picked others yes, but Nesta has also not participated as much on the back half of the day, and does not seem to be at risk of a bandwagon to further complicate my vote, for the moment at least.

[Lightnin]

I can’t remember, and the hamsters aren’t cooperating right now so I can’t go and look, but is a player’s affiliation revealed when he/she is lynched (or whatever) out of the game?

[tirial]

Idle Thoughts’ idle thoughts about the technique used for role assignments and assuming that fluiddruid had been given a creamy chocolate vs vanilla center in post #387.

I will admit to thinking along the same lines, especially since Idle Thoughts is an experienced ref.

Idle Thoughts when you run this game do you manually cast the roles, or do it randomly?

I’m staying out of NAF v. Lightnin. With 3 factions, if two players are going at each other there are a whole set of options (town v town, mason v. town, mafia v. town, mason v. mafia) even excluding a setup by a faction to draw people out. I’m not sure that a confrontation like Lighnin and NAF’s actually tells us much about the other player even when one dies and their status is revealed. On the other hand it provides clues about other people’s status from how they acted.

I’m not voting for either, because the longer it goes on the more information we get, and frankly we need as much as we can get.

Lemur866, thanks for the (partial) pass (post 421) on lurking, but I’m not going to post unless I’ve got something to say. On the other hand I have been in the game less than 24 hours - there are players who’ve made less posts than me during that period - and I’ve posted more in this thread than my monthly average.

[Hal_Briston]

@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

I would have assumed that everyone would know that roles would be assigned at random by any GM with a soul. Which leads me to Hal, who’s follow up question to Gadrene in the same vein I also found interesting. My gut reaction is that neither of them would legitimately ponder in this manner, so their behavior is raising a flag for me.

(bolding mine)

Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention, but that has to be one of the single most absurd statements I’ve seen in here so far. A first-time player asking the ref a perfectly legit question is flag-raising behavior? Of course I figured he assigned roles randomly, and now we all know for sure.

If there’s one thing I’ve gleaned from reading through the other threads, it’s that calling patently non-suspicious behavior suspicious is pretty damn suspicious in itself.

[Idle_Thoughts]

@tirial

Idle Thoughts when you run this game do you manually cast the roles, or do it randomly?

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That’s just it, I assign them myself to sort of try to make things equal, which is why I assumed RT, NAF, and Gadarene did so too. I didn’t even know there was a site that helps one make random choices until this game.

My whole thing about choosing who I make what and what teams they’re on stems, though, from the board I’m a mod on, which is a board of teenagers in the age gap anywhere from 12 to 21. So I try to make teams equal so both sides would have a good chance. I also have many kids constantly PMing me asking to be certain things (like scum–dunno why but everyone always wants to be scum), so I try to rotate people and give everyone a chance at certain things, while not always changing things or people just so players can’t guess what I’d do.

Even now that I know random.org exists, I probably won’t use it. If I ever ran a game on HERE I probably would, but only because the maturity level and attention span and overall personality here is different from that of a, say, fourteen year old.

Anyway, that all had nothing to do with THIS game, but that explains why I assumed Gadarene might have picked them.

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Notes now on the posts since I’ve last been here.

I have no suspicions at all of Omi No Kami OR CaerieD so I don’t know what they’re seeing. I think that the minor lurking and posting style of CaerieD may have tripped OiNK’s (sorry, I couldn’t resist :p) meter but I think s/he jumping the gun a bit. This doesn’t make me any more weary though. And in turn, CaerieD finds this (with good reason) suspicious since she only had made two posts up until that time. So I think it’s just a case of two citizens misunderstanding where each other is coming from.
I’m also not getting any readings from Hal Briston or Blaster Master (despite him voting for me). I don’t officially trust either, however, yet, but I don’t see anything that raises my hackles.

[Idle_Thoughts]

@Lightnin'

I can’t remember, and the hamsters aren’t cooperating right now so I can’t go and look, but is a player’s affiliation revealed when he/she is lynched (or whatever) out of the game?

Yeah, team and power role (if any).

[NAF1138]

I haven’t gotten a chance to read the posts from today yet. I just wanted to say that I am not going to be around until tomorrow night. But I will catch up then and make a post sunday night.

[DiggitCamara]

@tirial

Percypercy hasn’t said much recently. However DiggitCamera could you clarify post 370

Is that because you suspect lurkers and think he’s scum, or as a prod to get him to post more?

Both, actually.

Like I said in one of my first posts, lurking benefits the mob the most (lessens information, allows town people to start infighting, etc.) Pointing that out makes that strategy less viable.

And in percypercy’s case there only have been 4 or 5 posts since daybreak. The first one in response to my first post since daybreak, the second one reaffirming his/her vote due to his/her cat’s suspicions (psychic cat, anyone? :dubious: ) The third one confirming his/her vote due to post 370.

I may have missed one, or several of his/her posts but they are undeniably:

1. scarce
   and
2. uninformative (“fluff” posts)

[DiggitCamara]

@Omi no Kami

Yes, but that’s still enough to notice the change in demeanor. I’m trying to pay attention to the players who post less, and she’s one of the few people who I’ve noticed a change in.

@Omi no Kami

Gah, this is going completely wrong. I’ll admit that I didn’t read CaerieD’s posts carefully before making an accusation, which is wrong no matter what you say. But I concede the flip-flopping bit, I think you’ll agree that the sum of my argument was “CaerieD seems to be acting differently this time. Huh, that’s strange. Let’s keep an eye on her”. And I stand by that. ^^

… weeellll… (bolding mine) (First response to my comment, second response to Rachm Qoch.

Are you paying attention? Or aren’t you paying attention? Your defense needs to be refined somewhat. (FOS->Omi no Kami)

(BTW, I’m signing off as well for today. I hope I’ll be able to tune in tomorrow. Ta)

[SnakesCatLady]

@DiggitCamara

Both, actually.

Like I said in one of my first posts, lurking benefits the mob the most (lessens information, allows town people to start infighting, etc.) Pointing that out makes that strategy less viable.

And in percypercy’s case there only have been 4 or 5 posts since daybreak. The first one in response to my first post since daybreak, the second one reaffirming his/her vote due to his/her cat’s suspicions (psychic cat, anyone? :dubious: ) The third one confirming his/her vote due to post 370.

I may have missed one, or several of his/her posts but they are undeniably:

1. scarce
   and
2. uninformative (“fluff” posts)

I think you could say the same of my posts. I really don’t have much information to go on about any of the players as of yet, so my posts are pretty uninformative. I try to post often enough to not be seen as a lurker, but I don’t want to just run up a post count without having something worthwile to say.

And don’t knock psychic cats. I’m not sure how much help mine will be in the game, but IRL if my cats don’t like someone they usually have a reason. I have found that out on several occasions.

[Idle_Thoughts]

Man, is it just me or is the game kind of slow today? I guess, being Saturday, people are out enjoying days off.

[Hal_Briston]

Our area is enjoying a Saturday with temps in the 70’s after two weeks of utter shit weather. A quick check of the weather map doesn’t show a single cloud east of the Rockies. I don’t think there’ll be too many eastern Dopers on this afternoon.

Of course, I’m stuck inside painting the dining room, with the occasional pop in here between coats.

[percypercy]

@DiggitCamara

Both, actually.
And in percypercy’s case there only have been 4 or 5 posts since daybreak. The first one in response to my first post since daybreak, the second one reaffirming his/her vote due to his/her cat’s suspicions (psychic cat, anyone? :dubious: ) The third one confirming his/her vote due to post 370.

I may have missed one, or several of his/her posts but they are undeniably:

1. scarce
   and
2. uninformative (“fluff” posts)

I’m posting when I have something to contribute. I’m not going to add another post rehashing the same old stuff. It clogs the thread up and wastes all of our time. I’ll say this, whether it casts a cloud of suspicion over me or not because I think it should be said: IMHO, the wisest course for the mafia is to blend in as fully as possible. At this point, for me, anyone could be Mafia. I’d argue that frequent posting could be a cover-up. A careful Mafia could easily escape suspicion for days in that manner. Laying low as SnakesCatLady and I have done so far is not always a scum tell. It certainly isn’t in my case. Oh, and I’d trust the cat before quite a few people I know. He’s an excellent judge of character.
-Lil
The female PercyPercy

[CaerieD]

@Hal Briston

Our area is enjoying a Saturday with temps in the 70’s after two weeks of utter shit weather. A quick check of the weather map doesn’t show a single cloud east of the Rockies. I don’t think there’ll be too many eastern Dopers on this afternoon.

Of course, I’m stuck inside painting the dining room, with the occasional pop in here between coats.

Yeah, we’re having gorgeous weather here and I’ve been spending most of the day split between being outside and preparing for my niece’s birthday party tomorrow. Without any prompting from me, she decided she wanted her sixteenth birthday to have a 1920s mobster theme. There’s even going to be a murder mystery game and we all have to dress up and try to figure out whodunnit.

So if I’m not around much tomorrow it’ll be because I’ve managed to get away from the computer, only to be stuck in another Mafia game. :smack:

[Omi_no_Kami]

@DiggitCamara

… weeellll… (bolding mine) (First response to my comment, second response to Rachm Qoch.

Are you paying attention? Or aren’t you paying attention? Your defense needs to be refined somewhat. (FOS->Omi no Kami)

(BTW, I’m signing off as well for today. I hope I’ll be able to tune in tomorrow. Ta)

I’m trying to pay attention and not succeding. ^^ I tend to only be on the internet for 10-12 minute spurts between assignments, so I tend to speed-read in the hope of being of some use. It looks like it’s gotten me into more trouble than it’s worth, but I’m worried that if I keep overanalyzing I’m going to end up jumping at shadows. I figure I voted for someone suspicious enough to catch my notice, so I’m going to sit back and watch what the rest of the day brings.