Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler

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[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady]
I’m going to try this again since the hamsters ate my post.
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Hmm. Hamsters as agents of the mafia. Whoda thunk?

Solid thinking. But then, I’m pretty sure that Lightnin is scum.

Again, solid questions. My role will be confirmed upon my death, whether today, tonight, or whenever. I am now both a target for the mafia to be taken out or left alone according to their strategy. My only defense at this point is of course the Doctor.

Can we vote to lynch the mafia hamsters?

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[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady]

Lemur866 - wouldn’t scum be afraid to actively defend scum? If they go on record as defending scum it is there for all the town to see once the scum swings. I think scum would be more likely to try to deflect votes onto another player than to actively defend. Of course, you may have made that mistake yourself if Lightnin’ turns out to be scum.
In light of Projammer’s recent role claim, I have a question. If he is a Do-Gooder, would that become known after he was lynched? It seems very questionable that he would claim a role that cannot be verified. If he is Do-Gooder it would appear to me that he has only postponed his death from day to night, because as a known townie this early in the game I would think it in the Mafia’s best interest to go ahead and off him.

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Regarding scum’s defense of scum… it depends. Like dnooman’s “advice” to masons, any predictible behavior ends up biting power roles in the ass. And trying to predict the behavior turns into a guessing game (like this: Ah! they’ll try to attack each other! But… they know that I know that they’ll attack each other! Then they’ll defend each other! But… they know that I know that they know that they’ll defend each other! Repeat ad absurdum)

Concerning claiming to be a Do-Gooder… It helps scum a tiny bit (at least they won’t waste their recruitment effort) but in other respects it does absolutely nothing. Scum won’t care about an outed Do-Gooder, and maybe even exclude him from their kill lists since he very well might getting lynched.

803

I’m seriously considering changing my vote for Projammer. I don’t want to lynch another townie - if he’s a townie. I am hoping some other folks will come in with some analysis to help me decide.

I’ll be in the bar.

804

I was thinking about Projammer’s role claim, and for some reason I don’t get the feeling that it’s a lie. I’m not sure why, I had him fairly high on my scum list. I have to leave my vote on him though because if it comes down to either him or me, I’m only sure that I’m town. He could be lying. As some others have said, I’m starting to think that we might be in a lose-lose situation with possibly two townies up for lynching.

Question for Gadarene, does a no-lynch vote have to be unanimous or just a majority?

805

While I could obviously move my vote to dnooman to tie the top place, I’m going to leave things where they are and let a jury of my peers decide. Even though a good number of my peers are known to be scum while not necessarily knowing which ones are.

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[QUOTE=dnooman]
Question for Gadarene, does a no-lynch vote have to be unanimous or just a majority?
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Same as a lynching. Majority.

Hmm.
Unvote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
Vote No Lynch

807

I am not sure enough of Projammer. I am still very suspicious - I think he’s lying - but I’m not sure.

unvote Projammer

This goes back to the first day; immediately after DiggitCamera articulated his suspicions of the late lamented percypercy, fluiddruid voted for her.

[color=blue]vote fluiddruid.

808

Well, somehow I screwed that up.

unvote Projammer

vote fluiddruid

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[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady]
Well, somehow I screwed that up.

unvote Projammer

vote fluiddruid
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Why throw your vote at someone who stands no chance of being lynched today? I can see why you would unvote Projammer, but why vote for fluiddruid? Is it to secure your voting record? Does the idea of a no-lynch seem counterproductive to you? fluiddruid might be scum, I agree, but does a vote for her help or hurt the town at this juncture?

What are your thoughts about whether I’m town or scum? I ask because you have basically just tipped the scales to some degree towards me. I’m sure you thought about that too, I’m just wondering what your complete thought process is/was.

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[QUOTE=dnooman]
Why throw your vote at someone who stands no chance of being lynched today? I can see why you would unvote Projammer, but why vote for fluiddruid? Is it to secure your voting record? Does the idea of a no-lynch seem counterproductive to you? fluiddruid might be scum, I agree, but does a vote for her help or hurt the town at this juncture?

What are your thoughts about whether I’m town or scum? I ask because you have basically just tipped the scales to some degree towards me. I’m sure you thought about that too, I’m just wondering what your complete thought process is/was.
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I’m not sure about you. I don’t think you are town, but I am not sure enough to vote for you. I am sure enough of my suspicions of fluiddruid to cast my vote that way.

I don’t consider it to be helping the town to vote for someone I’m not reasonably sure of. And if my suspicions about you get more tangible, I still have time to change my vote. :wink:

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[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady]
I’m not sure about you. I don’t think you are town, but I am not sure enough to vote for you. I am sure enough of my suspicions of fluiddruid to cast my vote that way.

I don’t consider it to be helping the town to vote for someone I’m not reasonably sure of. And if my suspicions about you get more tangible, I still have time to change my vote. :wink:
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Vote for me if you feel you must, but you still failed to answer my question about voting for someone who will almost definitely not receive enough votes to cause a lynch. How does that help the town? It helps your position if you are right, but not today.

You say

…yet by your actions you bring me closer to death and fluiddruid closer by a total of one vote. Your vote for someone who’s role will not be revealed tonight, coupled with your unvote leading to a more possible death of someone you have professed to be less suspicious of makes no sense at all.

If I’m reading your post right, you are not sure about whether or not I or Projammer are town, yet you’re sure enough about fluiddruid to vote for her. Your unvote changed the balance, and your new vote changes nothing. Why not a “no-lynch” if you have the best interests of the town in mind? Your vote has been counted, feel free to do something that might actually help the town today.

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dnooman, I am doing what I feel is in the best interests of the town. You seem to be goading me into voting for you - what’s up with that? Are you tired of playing? I don’t feel that a “no lynch” vote gives the town any information in the event I am on the Mafia’s menu for tonght. I don’t feel it is in the best interests of the town to just blindly follow the pack. I don’t know why you can’t seem to understand this, but I will not vote for someone who is more likely to be lynched if I am not reasonably sure they are scum. How does voting for someone I am not sure of help the town?

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Now that’s a vote I can get on board with. Fluiddruid was third in line to vote for both of our confirmed townies. Her vote for NAF struck an odd chord with me: I voted for NAF merely to prod him to talk further about his vote for DiggitCamara; fluid voted for him in post #199 after he had already credibly explained further in post #197. It struck an odd chord with NAF too:

[QUOTE=NAF]

A third vote because I was mildly suspicious of another player? After saying that the other player seemed more suspicious?
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Projammer and dnooman are the ones taking the heat, but who really got percypercy lynched? Fluid was the one who suggested percy as a convenient target, and turned the momentum away from Lightnin’:

[QUOTE=fluiddruid]

Though I have pointed out suspicion for several others, this to me seems like the least loss to the team should it be an incorrect vote. Since odds are stacked against us on this vote, vote percypercy for now. Though, I’ll be interested to see how percypercy and Lightnin’ both participate in the remaining time. What’s holding me back is I think odds are much better that Lightnin’ has a power role compared to percypercy and frankly a bad loss the first round could kill our chances given how few truly valuable power roles we have… but, based on all I’ve read, I can’t disagree that Lightnin’ has a bigger reek of scum to me.

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I don’t care for it much when someone votes for a person while saying that they’re more certain that someone else is scum. It smacks of having multiple convenient targets to chose from.

She all but decries her vote in post #649:

[QUOTE=fluiddruid]
When I voted for percypercy, I didn’t really consider him a serious lynching candidate. I just got absolutely no scum feeling about Projammer at the time, based on the arguments that were out there. I assumed that the bandwagon was going to roll over on Projammer anyway
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Not a serious lynching candidate? So where was the unvote when train built up steam? Maybe she was away during the remaining hours and not aware of the effect her vote had, but that strikes me as bit too convenient.

In a way, I’m taking the coward’s way out. Since my gut tells me that both dnooman and Projammer are town, I don’t really want to cast a vote for either. I won’t vote no lynch, because I think that’s almost always bad for the town. I know that refusing to get on either of the most prominent wagons will raise some eyebrows, but nonetheless, I think I will vote for the person I think most likely to be scum. Vote: fluiddruid

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I eagerly await the participation of our silent and/or otherwise indisposed players.

815

unvote Projammer - if you are telling the truth about your role, as a confirmed townie, you will probably be a target tonight. If not, then I will question your claim.

Problem is I don’t have anyone else currently above anyone else on the “suspects” radar, and since I am beginning to think dnooman is town, I’m reluctant to vote for him.

Although, I will say I am slightly uncomfortable about this fluiddruid vote - I flagged her as someone to look for purely off voting patterns, not scum tells, which is why I haven’t voted.

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Why did you assume that? When you voted, the Lightnin bandwagon was in full swing. After yours and dnooman’s votes (two posts apart) percypercy went into joint lead with Lightnin - then on four votes. Projammer and Omi no Kami were tied below him at 3 votes each.

817

SnakesCatLady and tirial have shifted the vote towards me, with less than one real day remaining.

Indeed. How does changing the vote balance help the town? How exactly are you helping the town? You voted for the person that you thought was most likely scum, now what? If their role is not revealed tonight, what good have you done?

Kyrie followed your vote. What are we to make of that?

I’m going to assume that you’ll not answer each of these questions individually. You don’t like making guesses, and it seems you don’t like answering questions either.

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[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady]
dnooman, I am doing what I feel is in the best interests of the town. You seem to be goading me into voting for you - what’s up with that?
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It’s odd you say that, because that’s exactly what I suspected Omi no Kami of trying to do to both of us in post #768, where she casts aspersions on us. Which would make perfect sense if both she and Projammer are both Mafia. Omi no Kami is presently voteless – why not divert one or both of the more unsure votes against Projammer to herself, and let her buddy live another day?

Her peculiar posts notwithstanding, she puts out a vague townie vibe. I had backed off her earlier for this reason. But this post seems like it was meant to do the opposite.

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[QUOTE=dnooman]
Kyrie followed your vote. What are we to make of that?

I’m going to assume that you’ll not answer each of these questions individually. You don’t like making guesses, and it seems you don’t like answering questions either.
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You really are either suicidal or careless then? FWIW, Kyrie spent the day pondering whether he could make some distinction between dnooman and Projammer, both of whom seemed roughly equally likely to be town, or whether to vote for someone he really considered likely to be scum but had no chance of overcoming the momentum already built up against the two of you, or whether to fail to vote altogether.

Now, if you would be so kind, please point out the question I’ve failed to answer that allowed you to claim that I don’t like answering questions. I’ve previously been faulted by others for being overly defensive, precisely, I thought, for being over-welcoming of questions.

[QUOTE=Rachm Qoch]
Does anybody else notice an erie parallel with day one? We’ve still got more than a whole day to go, and it looks like Projammer is already the Lightnin’ of Day Two. percypercy’s guilt only became evident right before sunset – the question is, who will the votes shift to at the last minute? Who’s the real target?
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I don’t expect that it will become relevant, as it does come a bit late, but on the off-chance, I’d like to say now that I voted for fluiddruid while fully cognizant of the argument that will arise from Rachm’s post, quoted here.

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[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]

Now, if you would be so kind, please point out the question I’ve failed to answer that allowed you to claim that I don’t like answering questions. I’ve previously been faulted by others for being overly defensive, precisely, I thought, for being over-welcoming of questions.
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You were mentioned in that post, but it wasn’t a response to you. Re-read it if you must.