Hmmmm. Hazel’s a she. 
WITCH! Burn her!
Odd defense of Pleonast. Consider this an official FOS Haze.
How long are you going to go on using this logic? Until there’s 7 scum, 6 townies, and the vig has offed 11 players? :dubious:
Can somebody tell me what WIFOM and LyLo stand for?
I find Pleo’s “slip” interesting. However, it makes me less likely to vote for him. I am not terribly concerned with lynching converted scum. We know Pleo is fishy, we can investigate him later, we can lynch him later, but he isn’t a priority. We need to lynch the godfather. Otherwise, there will always be more converted scum.
Assuming Pleo was converted, the next question is whether the slip was intentional. I tend to think no. We had no pressure on anyone yet, so it seems odd for the scum to try such a ploy so early. If it was a slip, I think it was legitimate.
With that said.
Vote Freudian Slit
I was likely to vote for her anyway. She doesn’t seem to want us to try too hard to find scum. She is also doing the wishy washy thing she did last game, a game in which she turned out to be scum.
Good Lord. I am not defending him. All I’m saying is that the use of “she” as default is not necessarily a “slip.” I don’t know why you are calling my reasoning odd, unless it’s that you don’t believe me when I say such usage is not uncommon in certain contexts.
Which context would GodFATHER have a default pronoun of SHE?
Pleonast used the word Boss and not Godfather to refer to the head of the Mafia. And I wasn’t talking about specfically THIS context, but just staying if someone’s used to using “she” as the default pronoun in their writing, it might become a habit in general.
I’m not saying it couldn’t have been a slip. I’m merely offering an alternative explanation.
NETA: I’m saying, not staying. Curse this no edit rule.
We DO need to lynch the boss, but a bird in the hand and all that. Besides, if Pleo is recruited scum than he is either the Hitman, or a Consigliere, and possibly even the Capo. All scum power positions, all things we’d rather knock down right away.
Not that I’m all that firmly convinced of Pleo’s guilt, but I do find your willingness to pass him up to be ill-advised at best and suspicious at best. I mean, not unconventional pronouns suspicious, but worth pointing out.
Wine In Front Of Me - From The Princess Bride. Here’s the scene in question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUee1WvtQZU
Lynch Or Lose - Self explanatory
Well I doubt he is a capo. He would thus be one of the other two. I just don’t find the hitman’s and consigliere’s power’s all that worry some. Sure I’d rather them dead than alive, but I’d rather a shot at the godfather, however small that shot may be. Besides, I don’t really find Pleo’s slip that much scummier than Freudian’s behavior.
With my days and nights reversed, I’m probably going to look like I’m lurking way more than I usually/really am. But lurker doesn’t always = scummy.
Me, I’m leaning more toward believing the kill that took place was mafia-induced rather than Vig-induced. Like many have said, scum NEVER do what you think they’re going to do. It’s always best to screw with minds and create undue suspicion. By not recruiting, the Boss keeps him/herself at one and is able to hide in a very large pool of players.
So unless the Vig is Hawkeyeop or Blaster Master, I’m doubting it was that.
Majorly snipped.
Huh? I don’t get this. Why do you think this is the case? People and players do it all the time. I don’t believe it hurts anything or anyone and it might bring more insight if people say what they believe could have happened. Put me down as one of those who has no clue how speculating on why someone died is equatable to scumminess. I’ve said this in other games (being both Town and scum) and I’ll always say it. It’s a regular part of the game. :dubious:
Meanwhile, I’m going to vote bufftabby.
Either vote, “FOS” or observe more. But throwing a cookie out there and saying “X is suspicious to me, but I’m not yet ready to vote for them” seems like a subtle way to name smudge yet stay in the clear IF the person turns out to be innocent (because, after all, you didn’t vote for them) or look good IF the person turns out to be scum (because, after all, you said you had suspicions of them).
I’m going to agree with this, and I’m starting to rethink if we should have No-Lynched Day One. By making a pretty obvious statement that the town is going to play this one slowly, we’ve signalled to the Godfather that we’re ripe for the killing. The Godfather had an excellent chance at -not- hitting the Doc (or the Doc’s target, if the Doc for watever reason decided not to self-protect), and thinned our numbers by one in exchange for the risk that the bumbling beat-cops (and the more of them, the more bumbling they are) and Police Chief wouldn’t hit him Night One. The Godfather doesn’t increase the Mob’s risk for exposure by drafting an early player, who will have all game long to make a slip, and chanced actually knocking out a power role.
This is all based on my understanding that it doesn’t make a lot of sense for the Vig to have night-killed this early. Then again, I rarely see reason behind vigs killing early, but time and time again, they do. When all you have is a hammer…?
I’m asking the town. Is it in our interest to have a kill happy vig? If they follow how the town as a whole is moving, I get it, but I’m not sure that one who pops someone after no discussion is good for the town. Thoughts?
And:
FoS: Pleonast
I’ll give pleo a chance to defend himself before I change this to an actual vote.
The lure of the kill is pretty hard to ignore. When I had that hammer I used it. Once on an innocent and once on a scum. Since I’ve been a Vig, I can relate to why they would kill early. Some of the players in this game have some outstanding insight. I am of the opinion that roles play how they best see fit. We can give them guidance, if you will, but it’s up to them how to play.
Yeah, I guess if I had realized that the FOS was like, an official sorta thing, I would’ve phrased it that way. I’ve only ever watched the last Mafia game, in which nobody followed that convention. I definitely intended that post as an FOS.
So: FOS Pleonast. Sorry I was not more clear earlier. Damn.
People, come on! We can do better than this…
I already said why I used “she”: it’s simply another pronoun to use. Go back and read my color from the Conspiracy game I moderated. I regularly switched between “he”, “she”, and “they” for singular pronouns. I find using “he” all the time stale.
Back to watching Idol.
Okay, I think voting for me for being wishy washy is lame…especially since…I’m voting for someone now.
Vote Pleonast
What’s the alternative to a kill-happy Vig? A dead Vig? I think we should provide guidance but expect the Vig to do what he or she wants. And we have to deal with it. If the Vig were to leave us some sort of trail as to his/her kills, that would help us figure out how many kills were Mafia and thus how many (attempted) recruitments there were.
Speaking of which, I know we’re not supposed to bring other games in to this one, but do “breadcrumbs” ever end up helping the town? As in, in case of power role death without disclosure of information, everyone with info tries to drop it in the most discreet way possible. I can see how it would backfire quite easily, and it could also make mountains out of molehills. But is there any other way to ensure that large amounts of helpful info don’t die along with our power roles?
Just a strategy point–what does everyone think?
Pygmy rugger confessed that he would often do it as scum to fish for roles, especially in closed setups, because people might accidentally display Too Much Knowledge. Roosh did it in the Bladerunner game making it look like he was being analytical when he was just repeating information already available for reading if anybody wanted to.
And in the off-board games, just about everybody who’s done it has turned up scum, even after I’ve pointed this out as a scumtell.
I find it a much more accurate gauge of scumminess than that old third vote thing, anyway.