Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting [Game Finished]

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[QUOTE=Pleonast]
People, come on! We can do better than this…

I already said why I used “she”: it’s simply another pronoun to use. Go back and read my color from the Conspiracy game I moderated. I regularly switched between “he”, “she”, and “they” for singular pronouns. I find using “he” all the time stale.

Back to watching Idol.
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But if we lynch you, and you come up the Hitman, then we can lynch **Freudian Slit ** (I don’t remember why, and I’m going to bed soon, if it’s not clear on this page, somebody remind me tomorrow and I’ll point out why), and then we’ll just need to find one more scum (the one that would be recruited Tomorrow Night) to end the game. :smiley:

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[QUOTE=dotchan]
Pygmy rugger confessed <snip>
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[oog]For those that are playing with us for the first time, I just wanted to let you know that my old name on the boards was Pygmy Rugger, as my college rugby team was called the Pygmies. I now play for a men’s club called the Santos, so I changed my handle. A lot of people that I played with still call me** Pygmy**, so you may or may not see that reference quite often. I dig it, it kind of reminds me of the way we used to give each other nicknames on the team (even though it used to be my “real” name). Regardless, you can call me Pygmy, Santo, Rugger, or any combination thereof.[/oog]

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And in the same vein, you can call me Millit, or you can abbreviate it to MtF, even though I was born a woman and remain so to this day. :slight_smile:

I feel like we’re playing on all sorts of different experience levels, so bringing up the results of old games is kind of tricky. I know, I’ve done it–just a few posts ago! Even though I’ve played before, things have changed since I quit following the games. Some things have evolved from game to game into “reliable” scum tells, apparently. And some (formerly) major strategies seem to have fallen out of favor. I feel like some of us are well-versed in what to avoid and some of us aren’t, so there’s a meta-game dimension going on.

Anyway, FoS dotchan for too much meta-thinking and for the awfully suspicious paranoid thought in post 354. I don’t know why Pleonast, if Mafia, would casually drop a “she” to intentionally obfuscate the gender of the Boss–a small benefit for the huge loss of outing herself.

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[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
But if we lynch you, and you come up the Hitman, then we can lynch **Freudian Slit ** (I don’t remember why, and I’m going to bed soon, if it’s not clear on this page, somebody remind me tomorrow and I’ll point out why), and then we’ll just need to find one more scum (the one that would be recruited Tomorrow Night) to end the game. :smiley:
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Well…I think it’s a lame reason, for what it’s worth.

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[QUOTE=Freudian Slit]
Well…I think it’s a lame reason, for what it’s worth.
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Well… duh. :stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=Diomedes]
I’m going to agree with this, and I’m starting to rethink if we should have No-Lynched Day One. By making a pretty obvious statement that the town is going to play this one slowly, we’ve signalled to the Godfather that we’re ripe for the killing. The Godfather had an excellent chance at -not- hitting the Doc (or the Doc’s target, if the Doc for watever reason decided not to self-protect), and thinned our numbers by one in exchange for the risk that the bumbling beat-cops (and the more of them, the more bumbling they are) and Police Chief wouldn’t hit him Night One. The Godfather doesn’t increase the Mob’s risk for exposure by drafting an early player, who will have all game long to make a slip, and chanced actually knocking out a power role.

This is all based on my understanding that it doesn’t make a lot of sense for the Vig to have night-killed this early. Then again, I rarely see reason behind vigs killing early, but time and time again, they do. When all you have is a hammer…?
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I don’t think it was a mistake to no-lynch Day one despite some people with misgivings. Really, trying to find the Boss on Day one would be like firing a gun in a room that’s pitch dark and you know there are ten of your family members in the room and one burglar. You just don’t do something that foolish. Not until you know, at least, SOME extra info.

Right now we have players here who (hopefully) have some info to work with now.

[QUOTE=bufftabby]
Yeah, I guess if I had realized that the FOS was like, an official sorta thing, I would’ve phrased it that way. I’ve only ever watched the last Mafia game, in which nobody followed that convention. I definitely intended that post as an FOS.
So: FOS Pleonast. Sorry I was not more clear earlier. Damn.
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Fair enough. unvote bufftabby

[QUOTE=dotchan]
Pygmy rugger confessed that he would often do it as scum to fish for roles, especially in closed setups, because people might accidentally display Too Much Knowledge. Roosh did it in the Bladerunner game making it look like he was being analytical when he was just repeating information already available for reading if anybody wanted to.

And in the off-board games, just about everybody who’s done it has turned up scum, even after I’ve pointed this out as a scumtell.

I find it a much more accurate gauge of scumminess than that old third vote thing, anyway.
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Okay, I can see your point. It’s just that I’ve done this as well when being Town, so it’s one of those “It could or could not mean this” things.

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[QUOTE=Darth Sensitive]
Wine In Front Of Me - From The Princess Bride. Here’s the scene in question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUee1WvtQZU

Lynch Or Lose - Self explanatory
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Thanks Darth

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vote Menocchio

Sort of due to dotchan’s reasoning, but more because it seems that Menocchio is really, really over the top in wanting Pleo lynched. Or so it seems to me.

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[Quote=Pleonast]
I already said why I used “she”: it’s simply another pronoun to use. Go back and read my color from the Conspiracy game I moderated. I regularly switched between “he”, “she”, and “they” for singular pronouns. I find using “he” all the time stale.
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Eh, I ain’t buyin it. Vote Pleonast. This may not be the greatest reasoning ever, but I don’t think it’s the worst either.

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I still think the kill was the Vigilante and not the Boss. The Boss just has too much to gain from recruiting. I could honestly see this won without the Mob killing anyone. If the Vigilante killed on a turn when most of us voted No Lynch, I think it’s safe to say that they’re not paying too much attention to what the rest of us think. If they’ll kill then, they’ll kill every turn. Until they have a good solid reason to, the Mob doesn’t need to kill anyone. The town will be killing up to two people a day & night.

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[QUOTE=hotflungwok]
I still think the kill was the Vigilante and not the Boss. The Boss just has too much to gain from recruiting. I could honestly see this won without the Mob killing anyone. If the Vigilante killed on a turn when most of us voted No Lynch, I think it’s safe to say that they’re not paying too much attention to what the rest of us think. If they’ll kill then, they’ll kill every turn. Until they have a good solid reason to, the Mob doesn’t need to kill anyone. The town will be killing up to two people a day & night.
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At this point I’m almost fairly sure about the opposite. As others have said, scum can thrive on chaos. One kill is a great way for the boss to confuse the issue, chancing that the Vig wouldn’t make the kill. Since a good amount of us were all for no lynch on day one, I think the boss would feel fairly comfortable killing and expecting the Vig to sit back and not make a move.

So what we’re left with is arguing power role actions without a clear view of how many scum we have. If there were 0 kills we’re sure there’s a hitman out there; with two kills we know both the Vig and Boss got their hands dirty yesterday. It

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[QUOTE=hotflungwok]
I still think the kill was the Vigilante and not the Boss. The Boss just has too much to gain from recruiting. I could honestly see this won without the Mob killing anyone. If the Vigilante killed on a turn when most of us voted No Lynch, I think it’s safe to say that they’re not paying too much attention to what the rest of us think. If they’ll kill then, they’ll kill every turn. Until they have a good solid reason to, the Mob doesn’t need to kill anyone. The town will be killing up to two people a day & night.
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Flip-flopping on my last post, I now think you’re right. The only unrecruitables in the town are the Priests, the Doc (if he’s self-blocking), the Bishop, and the Vig and the Masons are 50% recruitable. My guess is that there are no more than 7 people, max, amongst this group, giving the Boss a pretty damn good shot at recruitment.

The more I think about it, the less mob killing (except in the cases of the unrecruitables) makes sense: each townie they kill rather than recruit reduces the space they have to hide in, and only alters their win condition by .5 rather than 1.

In any event, I guess I don’t see how mulling this over is going to help us any. But I will say, despite the ‘let the power roles do what they want’ clamor, that if the Vig keeps on killing off Townies, he’s a big Turd Ferguson.

Yeah. I went there.

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[QUOTE=Diomedes]
In any event, I guess I don’t see how mulling this over is going to help us any. But I will say, despite the ‘let the power roles do what they want’ clamor, that if the Vig keeps on killing off Townies, he’s a big Turd Ferguson.

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Heh. You can’t borrow my asbestos pajamas.

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[QUOTE=Diomedes]
Flip-flopping on my last post, I now think you’re right. The only unrecruitables in the town are the Priests, the Doc (if he’s self-blocking), the Bishop, and the Vig and the Masons are 50% recruitable.

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I thought the bishop was recruitable?

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The bishop will only accept the Capo position.

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(to beat character limit)

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Pleonast (3) - Menocchio, Freudian Slit, bufftabby
Menocchio (3) - Diomedes, dotchan, CapnPitt
Freudian Slit (1) - Hawkeyeop
bufftabby (1) - Idle Thoughts

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[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]

I feel like we’re playing on all sorts of different experience levels, so bringing up the results of old games is kind of tricky. I know, I’ve done it–just a few posts ago! Even though I’ve played before, things have changed since I quit following the games. Some things have evolved from game to game into “reliable” scum tells, apparently. And some (formerly) major strategies seem to have fallen out of favor. I feel like some of us are well-versed in what to avoid and some of us aren’t, so there’s a meta-game dimension going on.

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Do go on…seriously. I have been so involved in these games that, while I am aware that a shift has occured, I am unable to put my finger on said shift. I also am not sure that we are playing better or smarter now then we were in the past.

If you have more details, or specifics, please talk about them. This is a really good Day to go over basic strategy points like this.

As far as the Pleo thing goes, I don’t really know what I think about it yet. I am going to hang back and not place a vote for a little while I think. I want to wait until I feel like I have a better handle on who the newer players are.

I was thinking that Pleo mentioned that he uses swaped gender pronouns all the time in past games. I don’t remember this, and I think it would have stood out, but does anyone want to actually do the legwork and check up on that? I won’t have time for at least 24 hours, but if someone wants to start looking at his moding of his game that might help us out a bit.
Oh, and once again, the scum would have to be exceptionally stupid to have killed last Night. So in a way, I guess I am hoping that they did. Stupid scum are easier to catch. :smiley:

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[QUOTE=Pleonast]
People, come on! We can do better than this…

I already said why I used “she”: it’s simply another pronoun to use. Go back and read my color from the Conspiracy game I moderated. I regularly switched between “he”, “she”, and “they” for singular pronouns. I find using “he” all the time stale.

Back to watching Idol.
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Here is the opening color from that game. I’m not going to go back and read through that monster thread looking for pronoun switchage, but I played in that game and never noticed anything of the sort. Your opening color uses “he” as a generic for gender. I would love for you to cite some specific examples of where you used “she” instead of “he” in that game for a generic gender.

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It’s a silly thing to lynch a guy for. But no more silly than my reasons for voting for Menocchio. And Pleonast would be my number one pick as a target if I were Boss.

unvote: Menocchio
vote: Pleonast