Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting [Game Finished]

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Hockey, I find it interesting that you keep using the term “Godfather”. The mod uses the term “Boss”, except once mentioning “Godfather” as an alternate. Everywhere else it’s “Boss”. Why do you continue with “Godfather”? Maybe it’s because that’s the term used in your role PM. Very suspicious.

Okay, that accusation was made in jest, but it demonstrates the stupidity of focusing on word usage, rather than slips in thinking.

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The strangest thing I’ve seen so far, this:

versus, this:

Yes, those are in the same post. He’s suspicious of me for being too quickly pro-No-Lynch on the first Day (and good thing too, if I’d waited to talk until the Day started, I would’nt’ve had the chance to say anything at all). But, wait he’s actually most suspicious of those who were bloodthirsty. So it seems the only people he’s okay with are those didn’t make a strong stance.

Here’s my call on a scum tell: trying to stay safe in the middle and attack those who express strong opinions.

Vote Menocchio

402

Pleo, I’m saying that I have a mild and mostly irrational bias against the bloodthirsty (you’ll see that I’ve characterized it as “weak” and to be considered only “in the absence of anything better”) throughout. I’m saying that a scum could try to use that bias against me and the rest of the town, so it also bears watching those that aggressively go for the gentler tactic.

Of course, most of us voted for the no-lynch. But you also have that pronoun thing, which is my real beef with you. At this point, voting records are a weak reason for suspicion at best, but combined with the slightly stronger pronoun thing…

Besides, you must consider the context of that post. I was musing on my suspicions, then adressed NAF’s questions about my suspicions towards the bloodthirsty.

403

Why?

404

Ugh, I have such a headache today. I tried to find all of Pleonast’s color posts in the Conspiracy thread, but I couldn’t find any use of “she” as the default pronoun. And that thread is fucking long, and the stupid search engine won’t let you search within a single thread for any individual user’s posts.

I don’t know what to think. I concede the possibility that it might have been a slip, but it would be a pretty stupid one for scum to make.

Menocchio, I’m not sure I follow your logic. You don’t like the bloodthirsty, but you’re also wary of those who “aggressively” advocate no-lynches? So either extreme seems suspicious to you?

405

I’m not Dio, but I think the logic is that it makes sense for the Boss to try and recruit the more experienced players, at least in the beginning of the game.

406

I’m saying I don’t trust wolves, and I’m therefore also suspicious of those who make the biggest show of being sheep.

Not nearly enough to vote for by itself, mind you, but dude, pronouns.

407

Ugh. Okay, I found something:

Post where Pleonast refers to Vig as “she.”

That is the one post I can find where Pleonast refers to an uncertain role with a feminine pronoun. Also there is this post where Pleonast talks of the Vig as female and the Witch as male.

Make of that what you will. I do think it validates Pleo’s claim that he does try to mix up his default pronouns, for what it’s worth. Again, this doesn’t mean I have any opinion on his scuminess or lack thereof - I just think this harping on about his use of “she” is somewhat counterproductive.

408

I thought days eneded on Wednesday…why are we still in day time now?

409

But then scum would do the MOST stupid thing because it would then be the LEAST obvious thing anyone would think to do, don’t you see?

This whole “scum would/would not ever do this” goes right out the window every time.

On Day One there was ONE boss and no other Mafia, correct?

I used the term Godfather myself when the game first started and had to constantly remind myself that it wasn’t called that in this game. So I can understand the mistake being made.

Yours, however, carries a bit more weight.

410

Days will end on Tuesday and nights end on Thursday normally. Due to the abbreviated prior day, this day is longer. The Day ends next Tuesday.

411

:dubious:

Out of curiosity…is there any reason why you would want the Day to be over already? We just started.

And to Idle, I agree that scum would never/scum will always conversations won’t get us anywhere. But it doesn’t matter a whole lot if it was the scum or the vig who make the kill. The safest assumption for the town is that scum recruited and that we now have 2 scum to deal with.

And if the scum were dumb, so much the better for us!

412

Okay, I’m totally on board with that. Especially your last point.

:: goes off in search of Tylenol ::

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In post 38, **Pleo ** used the name Alice for the Vig, and in post 39 refered to the Vig as “she” because his context mandated it. He was making an example. Not the same thing as mixing up default pronouns to keep from being “stale”. I was wondering who would try to vindicate him with this post. I’m on page 13 of the Conspiracy, but as of yet have found no color posts that substantiate **Pleo’s ** claim.

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Sorry guys, didn’t have more time to catch up yesterday. I’m unsure if this has been addressed or not, but I tend to respond as I catch up and not read it all first, so bear with me.

I want to emphasize this point. It doesn’t matter what the majority of the town thinks, power roles generally should NOT be tied down by what the town says. Definitely, feel free to give power roles advice or opinions, but there’s plenty of examples from previous games where a power role doing the opposite of what the town wants or expects has been a good move, and doing what the town expects has gone poorly. Further, by having expectations about how a power role will act, it can allow that particular power role to manipulate it to his advantage.

For instance, the Vig knows what he supported yesterday and whether he killed or not. Was he completely honest and potentially give away his identity by killing? Maybe he went along with the consensus but killed anyway to try confuse the Boss. Either way, the Vig now has some valuable information that the rest of us don’t. The Vig has a damn good idea of what the Boss did last Night. If the Vig didn’t kill, he knows the Boss MUST have, and thus can use that when interpretting posts. Similarly, if he did kill, he knows the Boss either attempted a recruit or attempted a kill and was foiled. Either way, it gives him just a bit more information than the rest of us don’t have that may ultimately be helpful in helping him uncover scum.
OTOH, I’ve seen some discussion about what the Boss may have done. Did he recruit? Maybe he killed instead to throw us off? Both are possible, but really WHY would he elect the latter? There’s a tendency to expect over-complicated plans from scum, but he’s only one man right now. Really, if YOU were the Boss, what would you have done? You had a SIMPLE way to skate to no suspicious yesterday, then enter the Night. Do you take a recruit, increasing your numbers and ensuring you don’t lose the next Day, or do you take a chance to “confuse” the town with everything on the line, and nothing to gain since the town doesn’t have any sort of leads anyway? I have too much respect for my fellow players to think the Boss would be that short-sighted. We HAVE to play the odds. Sure, we should consider all the possibilities, but seriously, the scum don’t run a lot of overly complicated plans, particularly not early in the game.

Essentially, I’m willing to say these things with a fairly high level of confidence: There is a Vig and he killed OAOW last Night. The Boss at least attempted a recruit last Night. So, analyzing why OAOW is dead is probably fruitless, since it was probably done by a pro-town power role. However, if anyone can put forth a compelling case for why OAOW would have been the kill target of the Boss, I’d like to see it.

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Um, I don’t want it to be over. I had no idea when it ended so I just checked the OP and saw Wednesday and assumed we’d gone over. I just want to know WHEN it ends so that we’re not caught unawares. Like last time?

416

I don’t think it’s appropriate now, but I think, in a few days, the detective may want to use their “how many scum out there right now” power to get a handle on that - because I can see “Day 6: We have 1-6 scum out there” being not helpful at all.

But to be believable, the detective would have to claim. Gah. Wheels within wheels.

And I too attempted to assault that wall of text that was those older games. I didn’t find much in the first few pages, and (ctrl+f “pleo” ) gets useless fast when people are talking about him. So I gave up because of class.

417

I think Pleo should have to find them for us, not the other way around.

418

I really think Pleo should have to find it himself, but here’s a hint: instead of searching for “Pleo”, search for “Join Date: Aug 1999”.

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Well, just in case he doesn’t wanna yanno provide one…I thought I would look for myself. If I find something, I’ll post it and eat my words, but so far, nada.

420

Ideally this would occur right after the godfather was lynched.