Woah, there! You are both missing my points. I am in no way defending Menocchio! By explaining how Drain’s reasoning is poor is an attack on her and not a defense of Men
I’m saying this purely as a newbie myself, chrisk, with only one game of experience over you.
I want to say, it’s all well and good to come in and participate, but this kind of post needs more discussion. You’re posting w/out adding content, and this kinda feels fluffy to me. Ask someone a direct question, about their actions, or what you feel is scummy.
Now, let me try and take my own advice :
Drain Bead , you said, and **NAF ** quoted you in post #868, that you’re finding almost EVERYONE suspicious. Very throwaway statement there; you came in as a replacement and started in pretty quick on people. You went for Menocchio first, attacking his reasons for what seem like bad advice. I still have an FOS on him, and yes I voted day one, but I’m not any more suspicious of him. Or most of the others right now. But you are.
I had a bad feeling about you from the start of the day. Pleo made a decent case for suspicion back in post #820 as well. As of this point, I trust his role claim, and see him as an experienced player. The fact that he’s also picked up on your behavior as scummy leads me to
vote Drain Bead toDay.
Fuck it. It’s getting too late in the Day to screw around, and while I see the point in keeping my mouth shut and just taking the lynch, I feel like my role is a bit too important to waste like that. I’m hoping for Night protection. Roleclaim time.
I am the Detective.
hotflungwok is town. That was Idle’s investigation. I investigated last night, but would prefer to keep my results to myself. I’ve made a subtle breadcrumb of it, one that I hope the person I investigated is smart enough to pick up on.
I …uh…dammit! /sigh. I’m still not doing too well at this, yet. For the record, I don’t know that there are enough votes at you to really warrant the claim yet? Anyway, unvote Drain Bead.
Great, this leaves me with just some suspicions from day one, as well as …well damn. Just that. End of the day approaching and all, and for reasons that he’s the only other person I have an FOS on for now, vote Menocchio
By my count, your vote had me tied for the lead with 26 hours left to go. We’re probably going to lynch town, but at least it’s not the freaking Detective, you know?
Gaaaa! Here I am, looking at a four-paragraph post outlining my reasons for voting for Drain Bead, and as I give the post one last preview, she has to go in and drop that one in our midst.
<grumble grumble gotta rethink this grumble…>
Yes. 
Try post 842.
That’s exactly why I claimed, Hal.
Interesting, we have a role claim from our substitute! (Which I have to say does remind me of my previous stab at mafia, where I subbed out after getting a power role.)
Does it make any particular sense to lynch hotflungwok to put Idle/DB to the test? Probably not, it’s a rather wild sacrifice, but that was the first thing that came to mind. Drain. did you really think that you were close enough to getting lynched to step out? (On preview, I see that you already gave a fairly convincing answer to Kolda about this, okayish.)
And Koldanar, thanks for the advice. Part of the trouble with trying to ask questions is that I feel like a lot of the people I might want to challenge are great spin doctors and frame gamers, who I don’t feel up to out-talking. Hmm…
Unfortunately, time is a major issue this evening. I had expected to be offline by now, so Im just going to have to do a quick edit to my almost-post, remove my well-reasoned DB vote and throw in a half-assed one:
Arright…since A) I’m in the hot seat, and B) I don’t think be online again until after the deadline, I suppose I should probably claim. But I won’t. At least, not fully. I will say this much – there is one other player who knows, without a doubt, that I’m town.
Anyway –
Wha-wha-wha-what? ** sinjin’s** analysis boiled down to “didn’t post much of use” – aside from being untrue, it’s probably the most minor of indicators as a scum tell this early in the game. But “past history of always being a townie”? What?? Even if that were true (and it isn’t), what, you’re voting for me based on the law of averages? Now that’s a scum tell.
vote Diomedes
100%. She’s wrong about my alignment, but so far, I like quite a bit.
<straps on dancing shoes, awaits lessons from bufftabby>.
Og damn it. Sorry to say it, Drain Bead, but your role is basically worthless to us now. If I were the Boss, I would do one of two things, recruit you, or keep you alive until the town kills you. Until you die, we’re not going to know if you were townie the whole game, and either way we won’t know at what point you started lying to us.
Therefore, I think it’s in the town’s best interest to lynch Drain Bead now, or lynch her later and disregard all information she gives after this point.
It’d be a scumtell if this weren’t a recruitment game, Hal. I’m not saying the dice picked you, I’m saying that I think you’re a good recruit target.
NETA:
And:
Oh my God, you suck!
Here’s my plan, although I’ll need the Doc’s help for it.
The Doc keeps me alive every night. The Night (or Day, I guess) the Doc dies, I die the next Day, no matter what I say. Until then, I make each investigation result public, on a town or scum basis. I’ll keep roles secret unless they absolutely do not mesh with a stated claim (aka there’s a possibility that they could be the Boss). The day I’m slated to die, I’ll say every result I got, and you guys can use that info to decide if people are switching allegiances.
While we figure out a lynch target for toDay, I hope some of you will help me with this plan, because I’m sure there are holes in it.
urggg stupidly long post follows:
Hal:
I said in my original post that what I was presenting was IMHO, one man’s substance is another woman’s fluff. As far as subjective, well everything in this game is subjective isn’t it?
And I’m sure that you and NAF would like to portray my analysis as hyper-townie scum, because I FOS’d you both based on my limitted analysis of the lowest posters.
I did my analysis for several reasons;
[ol]
[li]CaptPitt’s remarks at the end of yesterDay and your response pinged me when I did my re-read yesterDay. During the re-read I didn’t note that you said very much of anything.[/li][li]NAF called out MHaye in particular and during my reread I noted that his posts almost all contained substance. [/li][li]Probably most important of all; NAF’s list contained data but no critical analysis. This absolutely drives me crazy in Real Life. It is one of my personal pet peeves. And mafia=wise, Roosh (scum) did this repeatedly in the Blade-runner game. I saw it but didn’t call him on it because, well, you’ll have to read the game. 
[/li][/ol]
As far as my saying that there wasn’t much substance in the substance being a “subjective load of crap” according to you, you offer nothing to show the overwhelming substance contained in your posts. So here in totality are your posts after the first four fluffy posts on N0 and discarding all but one of the Night posts. Please point out the substance I missed.
2, N0, S
4, D1, F (note I called this fluff because it added nothing additional to the previous post but a vote)
5, D1, S
5, D1, F
6, N1, F
7, D2, F
7, D2, F
10, D2, F
Hal’s response to my question about why Pleo thinks Hal is a townie.
12, D2, S
12, D2, S
Hal’s response to CaptPitt about being lurky.
13, D2, F
13, N2, F
14, N2, F
14, D3, F
14, D3, F
14, D3, F
14, D3, S
The most substancy post to that point.
So Hal, where’s the substance I missed? In particular the bits you alluded to when CaptPitt called you on lurking? That’s the reason I FOS’d you. And if you had come out and admitted you really hadn’t posted much content and would post more, case closed. But instead you called my analysis “a completely subjective load of crap” and suggested it’s “a hyper-townie scum move.”
So vote: Hal Briston
Looks like it’s taken care of itself. 
Vote Tallies:
Hal Briston (5) - Millit the Frail, NAF1138, bufftabby, Diomedes, sinjin
Menocchio (4) - dotchan, Drain Bead, chrisk, Koldanar
Drain Bead [sub for Idle Thoughts] (2) - Pleonast, Menocchio, (Koldanar)
NAF1138 (1) - Blaster Master
Diomedes (1) - Hal Briston
Hawkeyeop (0) - (Menocchio)
Pleonast (0) - (Darth Sensitive)
hotflungwok (0) - (Blaster Master)
Yet to cast a vote on Day 3:
Hockey Monkey
MHaye
Santo Rugger
Hawkeyeop
HazelNutCoffee
Hotflungwok
OneCentStamp
Freudian Slit
No current vote:
Darth Sensitive
**Unvote Drain Bead **
Of course, that doesn’t mean much by itself. Even if it is true, it may not be for long. I’d assume that you’d have told us if you’ve found scum? Last night’s investigation would be helpful too. You’d at least know one person who isn’t scum Today.
**Vote Hal Briston **Sorry Hal, I suspect some others more, but most of them have role claimed.
Doh, preview is your friend.
Menocchio, trust that I have my reasons for not giving up last night’s investigation. I’ll let you all know what it was in good time, provided that the plan I have pans out. I will say this, though. I found town.
I do not like this plan. Let’s consider this hypothetical:
Night two, Idle/Drainbead is recruited. In all likelihood as a regular recruit rather than a capo. In this scenario, Drainbead would likely never be investigated, because she would be a confirmed detective and protected. Furthermore, this completely takes the doctor out play, making him vulnerable to the Vig and the scum.
I would feel better if she watched by the chief rather than by the doctor. We could tell if she has already been recruited, and any future recruitment attempt would be risky. Plus, I’d much rather risk the chief, then the doctor.