Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting [Game Finished]

[Hawkeyeop]

@NAF1138

I am.

I think we got off to a bad start, and I am willing to admit that I was part of that problem. We shouldn’t have no lynched Day 1. There should have been more talks about claims etc Day 1. As far as I am concerned this just became Day 1 for a normal mafia game with 3 scum and a whole lot of town fire power. So, let the fire power fire away, and try to shrink the pool of people the scum have to hide in. It is their biggest advantage at this point.

Welcome aboard the kill train. Murders every 45 minutes or your pizza is cold.

[Menocchio]

@Hawkeyeop

I do not like this plan. Let’s consider this hypothetical:

Night two, Idle/Drainbead is recruited. In all likelihood as a regular recruit rather than a capo. In this scenario, Drainbead would likely never be investigated, because she would be a confirmed detective and protected. Furthermore, this completely takes the doctor out play, making him vulnerable to the Vig and the scum.

I would feel better if she watched by the chief rather than by the doctor. We could tell if she has already been recruited, and any future recruitment attempt would be risky. Plus, I’d much rather risk the chief, then the doctor.

I concur. Better to tie up the chief than the doctor. The doctor can (and should) still protect at his discretion, but the doctor can squeal if the doc misses a crucial night.

[Koldanar]

@Drain Bead

Here’s my plan, although I’ll need the Doc’s help for it.

The Doc keeps me alive every night. The Night (or Day, I guess) the Doc dies, I die the next Day, no matter what I say. Until then, I make each investigation result public, on a town or scum basis. I’ll keep roles secret unless they absolutely do not mesh with a stated claim (aka there’s a possibility that they could be the Boss). The day I’m slated to die, I’ll say every result I got, and you guys can use that info to decide if people are switching allegiances.

While we figure out a lynch target for toDay, I hope some of you will help me with this plan, because I’m sure there are holes in it.

Can’t we have priests help and pray with you through the night too? And, should we use a lynch for you, or trust the vig?

[Hal_Briston]

Got an unexpected minute to update before bed…

@Diomedes

It’d be a scumtell if this weren’t a recruitment game, Hal. I’m not saying the dice picked you, I’m saying that I think you’re a good recruit target.

A fair enough point – one I hadn’t considered before. Ok…
unvote Diomedes

So, where to go now. I may as well fully claim, since it’s quite doubtful it will cause any change. I began as a nobody…a simple, vanilla townie. That was before the Bishop came and showed me the true path of the Lord last night…I’m now Father Hal, man of the cloth.

Once I’m gone, take a good, hard look at how badly sinjin is pushing this case. I call it “subjective crap”, because that’s exactly what it is. It’s subjective, because signal:noise ratio isn’t nearly as much of an allignment indicator as he wants you to think it is, and it’s crap, because…well, because he’s using it to lynch town. EOS.

vote sinjin

[fluiddruid]

Vote Tallies:

Hal Briston (6) - Millit the Frail, NAF1138, bufftabby, Diomedes, sinjin, Menocchio
Menocchio (4) - dotchan, Drain Bead, chrisk, Koldanar
Drain Bead [sub for Idle Thoughts] (1) - Pleonast, (Menocchio), (Koldanar)
NAF1138 (1) - Blaster Master
sinjin (1) - Hal Briston
Diomedes (0) - (Hal Briston)
Hawkeyeop (0) - (Menocchio)
Pleonast (0) - (Darth Sensitive)
hotflungwok (0) - (Blaster Master)

Yet to cast a vote on Day 3:
Hockey Monkey
MHaye
Santo Rugger
Hawkeyeop
HazelNutCoffee
Hotflungwok
OneCentStamp
Freudian Slit

No current vote:
Darth Sensitive

[Darth_Sensitive]

So - I say I’ll be back and you add a page and a half and 2 more claims.

**Hal **says he’s a priest.
Drain is the detective.

I don’t inherently think that Hal is scummy - but two top candidates for lyches in two days - two priest role claims. Maybe we’re unlucky, maybe the priests are just inflammatory, maybe someone is lying. I just don’t know what to think.

I say we have protection on **DB **tonight. Probably the doc - a priest won’t stop death. Or maybe Pleo/Hal prayer + the chief of police.

I was going to vote for Hal - right now I need to reconsider.

[Santo_Rugger]

The good thing is that if Hal is lying, the Bishop can out him now or later.

Bishop, I suggest you leave some kind of clue if Hal is lying in your very next post. That way, when you die, we can lynch Hal if necessary. Also, don’t make it too obvious, or the scum will be able to pick you off as Bishop.

[sinjin]

Hal, once again, it was not the signal to noise ratio that I FOSed you for. I FOS’ed you because of your disengenuous response about your non-lurkiness in response to CaptPitt. I have stated this twice already. Why do you keep ignoring it? Your substance to fluff ratio, which NAF neglected to take into account (and ignored for all others too), was the reason I FOS’ed him.

I am not using this to “lynch town”. I don’t know who is and who is not town. I am trying to determine who is town and who is scum based soley on each person’s words. Right now I find you, NAF and Pleo at the top of my list. And I find your present argument rather funny based on your throw away to CaptPitt right before he was lynched:

That said, don’t sweat it if you’re town. Yes, of course we’d rather nail scum, but everyone knows that’s a longshot right now. If you’re town, then confirming that gives us info that we can work with. We’ll find out soon enough.

I’m basing my vote on what I read and putting up my reasons for my vote. I am voting you because you keep deliberately misinterpreting what I am saying. I don’t know you’re scum. But you are definately coming across that way to me toDay.

Let’s all sing together: “I’m a priest, you’re a priest, we’re a priest, they’re a priest wouldn’t you like to be a pepper too!!”

Sorry, I just couldn’t help myself. :o

[Menocchio]

@Darth Sensitive

So - I say I’ll be back and you add a page and a half and 2 more claims.

**Hal **says he’s a priest.
Drain is the detective.

**Menocchio says he’s the Doctor. **

Drain and I have screwed up big. There’s no denying that. We’ve drawn the suspicions of the town and now have to claim to survive. The two most important town powers are now exposed.

But, now that I’m out as the doc, I’ll play House, or at least McCoy. The rest of the town has fucked up too. Look at how little actually happened Today! Look at how many people are yet to vote. Guys, this is unacceptable! I feel forced to claim now because with so many yet to chime in, and despite Hal’s pessimism I feel certain that both his current detractors and the undecided will abandon him and choose me instead (also, I’m too busy tomorrow morning to make sure I wasn’t up front as I did Yesterday). If people had voted sooner this could have been avoided! If you’re smart you’ll give my claim the benefit of the doubt too, and now we’ll have to choose someone else. Someone who may not have the time to defend themselves. Well good luck with that!

Votes are cheap! You can change them! But they give the town a record of your actions and force the accused to defend themselves. Vote early. Vote often if you feel the need to, but VOTE.

Drain Bead, you’d better share your investigation results Today. There’s a decent chance one of us may wake up dead. I will not share my protection record nor will I entertain suggestions on who I should protect from this point forward. The only way I can retain any utility AT ALL is if the scum is completely in the dark as to how I choose to protect.
**
Unvote Hal Briston
Vote Hawkeyeop** for the reasons I said earlier.

[Santo_Rugger]

WTF? I give up. Boss, please recruit me tonight so I have a chance of winning this one. I don’t have any powers that’ll keep me from being recruited.

[Pleonast]

These fourteen-hour work days are killing me. Sorry for the haphazard posting.

As for the two role claims: Drain Bead’s sounds plausible. Given that it’s counter-claimable, I’m willing to accept it provisionally. I think every power role with protective powers should consider using them on her each Night. It’s best to leave the Boss guessing.

unvote Drain Bead

Hal Briston’s claim is interesting. Not just Priest, but recruited. That means it is counter-claimable as well. So I’m accepting it provisionally.

For those of you voting for Hal, why are you keeping your vote there? Give the Bishop a chance to counter-claim (this doesn’t mean immediately). While claimed Priests aren’t as useful as hidden ones, this one is verifiable. Lynching Hal at this point is plain stupid.

Thus,
vote sinjin

[Pleonast]

Now Menocchio has claimed! Ah, good ole Doper scumdar working in reverse. Maybe we should just mass claim now? kidding

[HazelNutCoffee]

Jesus Christ. I’ve read through toDay’s post and all my suspicions have been shot down by subsequent role-claims.

At this point, I’m willing to believe, for the moment, all role-claims. Hal’s is the one I felt iffiest about, but upon reflection it doesn’t seem like it’d be worth it for scum to try and flush the Bishop out of hiding by pulling such a stunt. The Bishop is only worth anything to them if he or she is still unknown.

Unfortunately, I have nothing much else to base a vote on at this point. Re-reading the past two Days, I’ve tried to make note of people who haven’t been caught up in some sort of debate/argument, and haven’t garnered suspicion by way of their posts. Below is our current player list, and the ones crossed out are either those who have (purely in my opinion, of course)

1. made role-claims (well, this isn’t based on my opinion)
2. been vocal in debates at some stage
3. have had more than one finger pointed at them at some point
   [del]Millit the Frail[/del]
   [del]NAF1138[/del]
   [del]Hockey Monkey [/del]
   [del]bufftabby[/del]
   [del]Diomedes[/del]
   dotchan
   [del]Drain Bead [sub for Idle Thoughts][/del]
   chrisk
   [del]MHaye[/del]
   [del]Menocchio[/del]
   Santo Rugger
   [del]Pleonast[/del]
   [del]Koldanar[/del]
   [del]Blaster Master[/del]
   Hawkeyeop
   [del]HazelNutCoffee[/del]
   [del]Hotflungwok[/del]
   Darth Sensitive
   OneCentStamp
   [del]Freudian Slit[/del]
   [del]sinjin [/del]
   [del]Hal Briston[/del]

I still feel like among those who HAVE been vocal, there are still a few that have managed to escape being fingered (er, so to speak) by being either bland or extremely rational. My personal opinion is that townies are more likely to get irked/riled/paranoid when it comes to debates. Unfortunately, I’m dealing with a lot of shit IRL at the moment, and I have a mountain of midterm papers to grade, so I really can’t afford to do yet another re-read of the thread at this point.

For the sake of consistency, I’m going to vote OneCentStamp yet again. My reasons being the same as before. I fully concede that he isn’t the only one who fits the description of a semi-lurker at this point, but I figure I might as well stick to my initial suspicions until I come up with a better alternative.

[chrisk]

@Darth Sensitive

**Hal **says he’s a priest.
.

Wait a second. Based on what Hal hinted, priesthood does not fit the role he’s claiming. He said that he’s in a role where others have secret knowledge of his pro-town loyalties, and as I read the rules, nobody knows for sure who the priests are - unless the bishop gets Capo-ed, and I don’t think he can be sure that THAT’s happened.

In fact, the only role I see where he could have assurities of that is if he’s Mason. Is that right?

[Millit_the_Frail]

Holy Crap.

OK, so we’re not totally f***ed, but we’re getting there. I can’t afford much time tomorrow morning, so here goes.

First of all, I’m feeling a little bad for starting the Hal lynch bandwagon, but I’m not sure I can buy the Bishop using his one chance to pray with someone so soon in the game. I guess he/she needs to use it before he/she gets nightkilled, but still, it seems like a smart Bishop would hold off and pay with someone in jeopardy post-roleclaim. Like our potential Detective or Doc.

Pleonast, would you be willing to pray over one of these two randomly toNight? A 50/50 shot of being blocked should stall the Boss in recruiting toDay. If Hal survives (and I’m still trying to decide whether or not I should take my vote away from him), he can pray tomorrow, and otherwise it could be either another Priest (There’s likely at least one more out there) or the Bishop (if Hal died turned out to be a non-Priest). Maybe the Doc could do the same–randomly protect one of the two of you. We can’t be 100% sure that nothing will happen to our Doc or Detective, but we can scare the scum with bad odds.

Sound like a plan, or is it too haphazard?

[Millit_the_Frail]

I don’t know if I was clear in my last post…do we believe Hal or not? I’m leaning that way, but there’s that pesky problem of WHY the Bishop would do this now (and why Hal in particular) and whether or not the Bishop could be assured of his loyalties upon selection. Would the Bishop have had a clue if he/she prayed with a Mafia? I don’t think so.

And lastly for tonight, I agree with Menocchio. Why has this game been so slow? Why wasn’t there more going on before this mass paranoid roleclaim? If there had been mroe discussion going on yesterday, Menocchio may not have had to do that. Is it because the recruitment aspect of the game makes you feel powerless? It certainly does for me, I’ll admit it. I feel like there’s little to no way to make non-random votes. But we still have strength in numbers and we can keep using our lynches as brute force against the Mob. NAF is on to something, let’s get killing! I stand by my randomization scheme above. And guys, if you do decide to randomly protect/pray, then actually be random. Don’t try to out-think the scum. Flip a coin. It’s the only way to be truly unpredictable.

Oh…screw it. I can’t wait until morning, and I’ll be in class until almost dusk, so I need a new lynchee. One who hasn’t roleclaimed and one who might get enough votes.
**
Unvote Hal Briston

Vote OneCentStamp**

[Santo_Rugger]

@Millit the Frail

<snip>One who hasn’t roleclaimed and one who might get enough votes.<snip>

This, to me, is saying, “let’s put everybody under the gun, so we can find out what everybody’s roles are!” Not to mention that the whole post has the tone of “we’re fucked, but here’s what the power roles can do to fix it.” Millit has been pinging me since my [del]reread[/del] read of Today for a few other posts, so there ya go.

Vote Millit the Frail.

Also, something you guys are seriously forgetting, or at least not thinking through: Claimed roles are pretty worthless now. Sure, scum have to WiFoM at night… but WE have to WiFoM during the Day, as to whether or not our claimed role has been

[Millit_the_Frail]

@Santo Rugger

This, to me, is saying, “let’s put everybody under the gun, so we can find out what everybody’s roles are!” Not to mention that the whole post has the tone of “we’re fucked, but here’s what the power roles can do to fix it.” Millit has been pinging me since my [del]reread[/del] read of Today for a few other posts, so there ya go.

Vote Millit the Frail.

Also, something you guys are seriously forgetting, or at least not thinking through: Claimed roles are pretty worthless now. Sure, scum have to WiFoM at night… but WE have to WiFoM during the Day, as to whether or not our claimed role has been

Please–I’d rather it’s me than either of the current frontrunners. I’m a lot more useless.

(Or maybe you’d rather lynch someone who, you know, is actually Mafia. Your pick.)

[Drain_Bead]

@Koldanar

Can’t we have priests help and pray with you through the night too? And, should we use a lynch for you, or trust the vig?

The reason I suggested a lynch was because that way I’d have a chance to say everything I knew before I got offed.

[Drain_Bead]

Unvote Menocchio
Vote Koldanar for pushing my bandwagon (and third-voting) based on a “gut feeling” that he got at the beginning of the Day, when I had yet to even post anything of substance.