[QUOTE=NAF1138]
Based on the fact the the scum didn’t kill Night 1 I think that the boss is a new player.
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Wha?!! If the Scum didn’t kill and the Vig didn’t kill, then who, pray tell, do you think killed OneAndOnlyWanders?
Wow, I was actually rethinking my vote, but now I’m even more confused. How could you still think the scum didn’t kill on Night 1?
And despite his claim, FOS Drain Bead for agreeing with you.
Vote BlaM
His math seems a bit more misleading than in games past.
I haven’t read the most recent page yet, I’ll try to catch up this weekend.
[QUOTE=USCDiver]
Wha?!! If the Scum didn’t kill and the Vig didn’t kill, then who, pray tell, do you think killed OneAndOnlyWanders?
Wow, I was actually rethinking my vote, but now I’m even more confused. How could you still think the scum didn’t kill on Night 1?
And despite his claim, FOS Drain Bead for agreeing with you.
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I think NAF meant to say “did kill” or “didn’t recruit.” That’s the only way his argument makes sense, because an experienced Mafia would recruit. Unless NAF is insinuating that Koldnar is lying about being the Vig.
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
I think NAF meant to say “did kill” or “didn’t recruit.” That’s the only way his argument makes sense, because an experienced Mafia would recruit. Unless NAF is insinuating that Koldnar is lying about being the Vig.
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If Koldanar’s not the Vig, the real Vig will take care of him.
[QUOTE=USCDiver]
Wha?!! If the Scum didn’t kill and the Vig didn’t kill, then who, pray tell, do you think killed OneAndOnlyWanders?
Wow, I was actually rethinking my vote, but now I’m even more confused. How could you still think the scum didn’t kill on Night 1?
And despite his claim, FOS Drain Bead for agreeing with you.
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I’m pretty sure he meant the Vig didn’t kill. That’s at least what I meant, and what I thought he said in the portion I quoted.
I only understand your FOS on me if you think I’ve been recruited. Barring a counterclaim, which won’t be coming, I think it’s safe to say that as of the end of yesterDay, I am who I say I am. If you think I’ve been recruited, what about my gameplay has changed from yesterDay to toDay to trigger this thought in your mind? And do you disagree with my underlying assertion that because the scum killed OAOW instead of attempting a recruitment, the Boss is probably a n00b, or at the very least n00b scum?
Also, I’m a she, which until I figured out you didn’t know, really confused me with the “despite his claim” portion of your post. :smack:
[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
I’m pretty sure he meant the Vig didn’t kill. That’s at least what I meant, and what I thought he said in the portion I quoted.
I only understand your FOS on me if you think I’ve been recruited. Barring a counterclaim, which won’t be coming, I think it’s safe to say that as of the end of yesterDay, I am who I say I am. If you think I’ve been recruited, what about my gameplay has changed from yesterDay to toDay to trigger this thought in your mind? And do you disagree with my underlying assertion that because the scum killed OAOW instead of attempting a recruitment, the Boss is probably a n00b, or at the very least n00b scum?
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If that really was mistake (and it’s a rather egregious one) then I guess I’ll un-FOS you. However, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think you may have been recruited. Not necessarily because of a change in your game-play, but because you would be a good candidate for Capo. The only reason to not suspect you’ve been recruited is the WIFOM argument of who the Doctor was protecting.
I should say though, that I agree the Boss is likely a new player. BUT that being said, I watched You-Solve-It with perfect knowledge and Pleonast and sachertorte did some rather unconventional things as scum in that game, so I wouldn’t discount an experienced player trying to be unpredictable.
[Quote=NAF1138]
I don’t like that Darth hasn’t really done much posting since called out on his potential slip. I would be happy with a lynch of Darth.
Based on the fact the the scum didn’t kill Night 1 I think that the boss is a new player. I would be ok with killing bufftabby also.
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First you made a list of players that should be killed because of their high level experience. Now you’re saying let’s kill the newbest player? Which one is it?
I understand your theory that the boss is also a newb, but I can’t understand grasping at straws like lynching a random newb (like me–I’m only guilty of asking probing questions to determine how I can help my town the most) when you’ve got a person like darth sensitive, who has made a scummy comment and hasn’t made a peep since offering a cursory defense.
I have a rare few moments online, so this will actually be my last post of the weekend(yes, I am an addict).
I meant that the vig didn’t kill, not that the scum didn’t.
[QUOTE=bufftabby]
First you made a list of players that should be killed because of their high level experience. Now you’re saying let’s kill the newbest player? Which one is it?
I understand your theory that the boss is also a newb, but I can’t understand grasping at straws like lynching a random newb (like me–I’m only guilty of asking probing questions to determine how I can help my town the most) when you’ve got a person like darth sensitive, who has made a scummy comment and hasn’t made a peep since offering a cursory defense.
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I was, once again, just offering topics of discussion. Things that I perosonally would like to see discussed without my imput, because I am thinking about them but tend to be something of a lightning rod when I am actually posting. If it makes you feel better, you are the person I am least suspicious of in that grouping. I rather liked your response. But I am not gonig to unvote until I can do a real re read this weekend.
NAF1138 (6): Blaster Master, Menocchio, Hawkeyeop, USCDiver [sub for Diomedes], Hotflungwok, dotchan [sub for Freudian Slit after dying on Day 3], (Pleonast)
Darth Sensitive (4): Hal Briston, (NAF1138), OneCentStamp, bufftabby, HazelNutCoffee
bufftabby (1): NAF1138
Blaster Master (1): (Pleonast), Santo Rugger
Millit the Frail (0): (NAF1138)
No vote yet:
Millit the Frail
Hockey Monkey
Drain Bead [sub for Idle Thoughts]
MHaye
Koldanar
Darth Sensitive
sinjin
The sun sets on Tuesday, March 18th at 11am CDT.
Just to clarify, I have yet to investigate NAF, so don’t take anything I say in support of him as some sort of breadcrumb. I think, if anything, his play has been consistent enough (and consistently loud enough) that I don’t think that he’s been recruited. I also don’t think that he’s the Boss. Some of his ideas bug me, especially those involving claiming, but I think NAF is a good enough player that he’d realize that those ideas would draw suspicion, and as scum, your entire job is to avoid suspicion.
I’m going to make a vote for Darth Sensitive, if only to shake things up a bit. This vote is nowhere near set in stone for toDay, but based on the idea that the Boss is a relative newbie (and I think DS is, although I could be wrong because I haven’t followed the last two on-board games as closely as some of the others), as well as the relatively weak defense and disappearing act mentioned by bufftabby, which I have seen n00b scum do before. Hopefully this vote will lead to a more vigorous defense, which will give us more to go on.
Kill Millit? No way!!
Sorry I haven’t been around. I’m coming out of tenth week and into finals, so I’ve been asleep for about 16 hours of the last 24. No lie. And the boards were down when I was awake this morning. I did mention a week ago that Thurs and Fri are the worst days for me to post, which was cool when the game started, since that was supposed to correspond to Night-time, but, what can you do…
I feel like toDay is boiling down to one thing: Lynch NAF or don’t lynch NAF. His willingness to get lynched makes me want to hold off, but I think that’s what he wants me to think. I’m fully aware that if he turns up Town, I’m on his “recommend for killing” list, but hey–I can worry about that tomorrow.
Vote NAF1138
I’m not picking a “second,” as that seems like a great way to broadcast to the scum who’s safe and who’s not. Great info to have if you’re planning a recruit, no?
Oops, forgot the bold. Damn no edit rule.
Vote NAF1138
I just realized something while I was off getting my hair cut, and I’m wondering what everyone else thinks.
Do we think that the Capo was Made last night? I ask this because I am not the Capo, and not only that, I don’t think I’ll ever be the Capo at this point. If you look at the Detective powers once they are recruited as the Capo, they can help find out roles, with their failure chance being on the big guys, the Doc or Vigilante. We now know who they are/were. We also know a good portion of our Priests, as well as our Detective. Basically the only use I’d have as Capo is to maybe find Beat Cops and the Police Chief, as well as the Bishop–but the Bishop has already used his power, so he’s essentially vanilla now, and we know most (if not all) of the Priests, so the Bishop’s power as Capo is useless. Perhaps it’s worthwhile to have the Bishop roleclaim at this point?
The other point I’m making in all this rambling is that if we have a Capo in our midst, it’s gotta be Menocchio.
[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
I just realized something while I was off getting my hair cut, and I’m wondering what everyone else thinks.
Do we think that the Capo was Made last night? I ask this because I am not the Capo, and not only that, I don’t think I’ll ever be the Capo at this point. If you look at the Detective powers once they are recruited as the Capo, they can help find out roles, with their failure chance being on the big guys, the Doc or Vigilante. We now know who they are/were. We also know a good portion of our Priests, as well as our Detective. Basically the only use I’d have as Capo is to maybe find Beat Cops and the Police Chief, as well as the Bishop–but the Bishop has already used his power, so he’s essentially vanilla now, and we know most (if not all) of the Priests, so the Bishop’s power as Capo is useless. Perhaps it’s worthwhile to have the Bishop roleclaim at this point?
The other point I’m making in all this rambling is that if we have a Capo in our midst, it’s gotta be Menocchio.
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Nah, the Bishop still can’t be recruited, and a wasted recruitment attempt is about the best thing we have going for us. Recruitments essentially hit us more than twice as much as Nightkills. We lose a protown person, the Mafia grows in number, and confusion abounds as we realize that no one is who we thought they might be. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mafia just recruits themselves into a win. They only need to Nightkill if they have a pool of unrecruitables left. I think the Masons, the Bishop, and any remaining Priests should stay on the down-low, because you’re the only ones who need killing. Masons have a 50% chance of blocking recruitment, but I think that’s enough to keep the Mafia from trying to recruit you if do you claim–they’d probably rather kill you and succeed. Stay hidden, let the Mafia try to recruit you, and let them fail.
Speaking of playing the odds, did anyone read my post about randomizing our resources? Did anyone think that it might be an effective way of keeping our claimed power roles safe? I know Santo Rugger thought it was scummy, but honestly, I’ve never seen it done before and want to know if anyone else thinks it might work. It would require cooperation, but no one has to come out and say they’ll cooperate. If we assume that last night was Pleonast’s night to pray over either our Doctor or Detective (whether this was done or not), then tonight would go to another Priest. I suggested Hal. If Hal is not a Priest, the Bishop knows it and can pray him/herself.
Meanwhile, the Beat Cops can keep investigating. They’ll get a false read on the Boss, but with most of the power roles claimed, false reads are easier to see through. As for the Capo, I’m not sure I understand why there may never be one, Drain Bead. They only lose the power to recruit a Capo if they waste it on an unrecruitable, right?
[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
The other point I’m making in all this rambling is that if we have a Capo in our midst, it’s gotta be Menocchio.
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Why him in particular? Unless there’s another Vigilante around (and if there is, please just keep quietly murdering people in there sleep and for the love of Og don’t claim unless you have to!), the only function he’d have would be to block investigations, and unless he can read your mind he’d have to be fairly lucky in order to block you.
(Is it just me or does Drain Bead’s post read…off to you? Still, until I can put my suspicion in to words I’ll hold off on my pointy accusatory finger.)
unvote NAF1138 for the time being. I hope Darth Sensitive isn’t assuming he’s not going to get lynched toDay and has stopped checking in, because I would like to hear more from him. He basically left it up to everybody else to defend his behavior and then said: “Yeah, what they said” when he showed up to post, then promptly fell off the face of the internet again.
[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
I just realized something while I was off getting my hair cut, and I’m wondering what everyone else thinks.
Do we think that the Capo was Made last night?
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No. Me, the scum, and to a lesser extent the priests and investigators are playing a massive bout of WIFOM. A dangerous game of cat and also cat. Unless they had another lead on a power role, or were willing to throw it out blindly on a random player, I don’t think they would have risked the Capo attempt last night. Not on either of us, anyway. Kills or recruitment, sure, but not the Capo. Better have a townie Capo than a blocked one.
I’m back. I made a post before I disappeared that I’d be gone for a few days. I had major assignments to get done before spring break, and my drive home took twice the time due to traffic. Sorry - but for a few days, real life took precedence.
I’ll see what I can get done in the way of readthrough soon.
[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
Do we think that the Capo was Made last night? I ask this because I am not the Capo, and not only that, I don’t think I’ll ever be the Capo at this point.
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The other point I’m making in all this rambling is that if we have a Capo in our midst, it’s gotta be Menocchio.
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I think a case could be made for either you or Menocchio having been made Capo last Night. Both of you would still have a particular value to the Scum as Caop. But as Menocchio says, there is just one huge WIFOM going on right now. Both at Night with the scum trying to predict who is protecting whom and during the Day with the Town trying to decide if a particular power role was recruited or not.
Test post.
For all who are saying the Boss must be an inexperienced player, isn’t this situation the essence of WIFOM?
Vote BlasterMaster. I didn’t like his arguments Day one about his almost certainty that the Boss recruited Night 1. He also stated several times that he didn’t want us to take into account all possibilities because that was a waste of time, we should concentrate only on highly probable events. Please note I’m not voting him because he was wrong (if we believe Koldanar) but because I think he’s smart enough to actually come up with a plan like this. And now that it’s come out that the Boss in all likelyhood did kill the first night we’re being led on a search for a noob Boss. Diabolical. Why yes, I am paranoid.
And as far as NAF going down without a real fight yesterDay, if he’s a recruit, why not? In an ordinary game the scum all have added incentive to stay alive. In this game they’re replaceable. And depending on the voting records his lynch could give the Boss and/or the other scummies town cred. If at the end of the day it comes down to NAF and someone I don’t consider as suspicious I’ll switch my vote to NAF.