Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting [Game Finished]

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Ugh. I finally got caught up with toDay’s postings. A few quick things.

First, NAF , sorry for the boneheaded killing last night, and to the rest of the town. Still new, and I thought I had a decent reason that I found at or near the end of the day. You were next on the list, were no one to come up that really got to me (on the basis that one less vanilla = one less place for scum to hide).

I am NOT down with the NAF bandwagon; I’m just not agreeing with the arguments against. Its enough so that I’m beginning to wonder if BLaM didn’t get recruited last night, and decide to push an old argument further. Then again, scum don’t want to be visible…etc. I’m stuck still thinking this one through.

As far as a vote goes…vote Darth Sensitive . Actions at the end of last night were suspicious, and while I know it was said that Darth would be away for a while, there has been no defense yet.

If there is one thing I have now learned, I need to keep notes on everyone during each day :slight_smile:

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I am re reading now and am in the middle of Day2. I wanted to post this while I was thinking about it.

Back on Day 2 I was looking for recruits, because I didn’t think it would be possible to find the boss. But going back through and looking for the boss, 2 people stuck out to me as potential bosses based purely on what they said about the Night 1 kill, the Day 1 no lynch, and how the town should proceed on Day 2.

Freudian Slit (who pinged me that Day anyway) and Dio who is pinging me now for the first time. The Dio thing is interesting because it is a bit more subtle, but he throws out the first vote for Menocchio for almost no reason and he displays just a touch of what could be perfect information when it comes to Night 1’s kill.

Also, and this is metagamey as hell, but he subbed out WAY early. Something that, in my experience, scum are roughly twice as likely to do.

So FOS USC Diver(Dio’s sub). Anyone want to check Dio’s posts for me and see if they see what I am seeing.

Same with FS, but she was pinging me SO hard that I am less sure about it.

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NAF do you think you could give us just a smijgin more information. Like maybe the page number or the post number or a quote or something. This “you do the work for me” thing is getting a bit thin.

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NAF1138 (6): Blaster Master, Menocchio, Hawkeyeop, USCDiver [sub for Diomedes], Hotflungwok, (dotchan II), (Pleonast), Millit the Frail
Darth Sensitive (6): Hal Briston, (NAF1138), OneCentStamp, bufftabby, HazelNutCoffee, Drain Bead [sub for Idle Thoughts], Koldanar
bufftabby (1): NAF1138
Blaster Master (2): (Pleonast), Santo Rugger, sinjin
Millit the Frail (0): (NAF1138)

No vote yet:

Hockey Monkey
MHaye
Darth Sensitive

No current vote:
dotchan II

The sun sets on Tuesday, March 18th at 11am CDT.

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I started to take notes about Day 2, but I’m going through a rather difficult time right now, so it’s been hard for me to devote as much time as I’d like to this game. But for what it’s worth, here are the two pages I bothered to summarize:

Day 2
bufftabby: wonders who to hang for OAOW’s death.

NAF: points out either Vig killed or there was no recruitment. Asks BlaM to expand on thoughts concerning “no lynch.”

Hawkeyeop: guesses Vig did the kill so revenge is unnecessary; thinks it unlikely mafia wouldn’t recruit.

CapnPitt(townie): fluff; reiterates the need for a lynch toDay.

Menocchio(claimed Doctor): agrees with Hawk that Vig did the killing; says that Vig is both liability and asset; expresses suspicion towards “more bloodthirsty members” regarding Day One no-lynch.

bufftabby: agrees with Hawk about Vig kill; states there must be a lynch toDay.

NAF: replies to Menocchio’s suspicions regarding “bloodthirsty members” by questioning why the Boss would stick their neck out by backing an unpopular opinion (i.e., a lynch); suggests a search for changes in style that would signal a switch in alignment; states that fluff is preferable to lurking in this game.

hotflungwok (townie): suggests a Vig kill because scum would want to double their numbers

Santo: replies to Menocchio’s suspicions about “bloodthirsty members” by pointing out that “wrong, bad, or different” does not equal scummy; also reiterates that the sole scum of Day 1 would not have risked being in “the smaller, more vicious group.”

Freudian: questions why a Vig would kill on Night One, given the odds of hitting a townie.

Santo: fluff questioning CapnPitt’s fluff.

bufftabby: fluff

OneCentStamp: reiterates need to lynch because a no-lynch “plays into the hands of the mafia” and that after a few lynches “maybe the picture will be a little more clear.”

Santo: agrees with OCS; asks whom to start with.

OCS: fluff about Shirley Jackson

hotflungwok (townie): replies to Freudian’s question of why a Vig would kill on Night One - because “it’s what we got” and also they probably were "not happy with the “No Lynch” vote.

Freudian: replies to Santo’s question of who to lynch with fluff.

Koldnar (claimed Vig): doubts a Vig kill; suggests the Boss wanted to confuse town.

bufftabby: suggests looking at “the lurky ones.”

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Freudian: waffles on the issue of lynching, saying a no-lynch gives the Boss a bigger pool but that it seems silly to kill townies simply to give the Boss a smaller pool to choose from; questions whether the lynchee should be chosen at random.

Millit: thinks toDay we should 1) find out why the Vig would want OAOW dead, 2) find out why the Boss would want OAOW dead, 3) have the lurkers and the bloodthirsty explain themselves, because she’s “not ready to start busting heads yet” and she’s “not sure that’s where we should be looking.”

Hawkeyeop: replies to Koldnar’s doubts about the Vig kill by saying the Vig simply “took his best shot at finding a scum” and that we should do the same.

CapnPitt (townie): suggests Boss killed in case the town no-lynches again; agrees with a lynch toDay but doesn’t know who.

sinjin (claimed Mason): suggests that Boss might have killed since recruitment with so little knowledge would be a gamble and to lessen the risk of being outed as well as to “mess with town minds”; points out the town has just as little information to go on toDay as they did yesterDay.

HazelNutCoffee: replies to Millit’s wanting to know why the Boss might have killed OAOW by saying the “why” isn’t really helpful at this point; reiterates that Boss might have killed simply to confuse the town.

Pleonast (claimed Priest): notes that either the Boss or the Vig are playing “suboptimal”; strongly advocates lynch but admits scarcity of clues; notes that Hal’s comment on Day One about ending Night One early is a “townie tell”; questions the usefulness of asking BlaM to rehash no-lynch reasoning. [NOTE: infamous use of “she” to refer to the Boss post]

NAF: replies to sinjin’s points about a scum kill by saying it’s safer to assume a recruit unless there is evidence otherwise; supports lynching lurkers if “all other things [are] equal”; wants to know why people are going after the “bloodthirsty”; responds to Pleo by saying he wants to know what BlaM was thinking regarding a no-lynch since BlaM didn’t post yesterDay.

Menocchio (claimed Doctor): summarizes OAOW’s posts and surmises that he was killed by the Vig, either randomly or because he seemed slightly scummy.

Santo: replies to Freudian’s fluff with fluff.

Hawkeyeop: replies to NAF’s assertion concerning a lynch toDay by pointing out that the majority of town haven’t even expressed an opinion yet.

chrisk (Priest): has a “gut feeling” about a recruitment; says sorry about premmature ending yesterDay.

Hawkeyeop: replies to Pleo’s criticism of the potential Vig kill by saying “there is no benefit to waiting around.”

NAF: replies to Hawk’s remark that the town may not want to lynch by saying it’s “fucking stupid” to not lynch because “it gets us nowhere.”

Hawkeyeop: agrees with NAF but repeats that everyone should have their say.

NAF: apologizes to Hawk for being harsh

Koldnar (claimed Vig): says if the Boss recruited yesterDay, we now have a Hitman, which would equal three kills; points out Pleo’s use of “she.”

OAOW: undead fluff

Hawkeyeop: replies to Koldnar by pointing out the Hitman is not an extra kill but an assured kill.

OCS: fluff

Koldnar (claimed Vig): acknowledges misremembering.

Pleonast (claimed Priest): replies to Hawk’s defense of the Vig by saying it was a stupid gamble; replies to Koldnar’s note of pronoun use by saying it’s “equal opportunity” suspicion.

Freudian: replies to Santo’s fluff with fluff.

Hawkeyeop: replies to Pleo - “I agree with your equation; I just disagree with your conclusion.”

HNC: states that she would have been happy with a lynch yesterDay because of the discussion that would have been generated might have been helpful later on; points out that the odds of lynching a townie have not gone down significantly; remarks that arguing over what the Vig should/shouldn’t do is pointless.

Hal: replies to OCS’s fluff with fluff.

Freudian: decides a lynch would best after all; suggests a randomization method to pick a “lamb.”

dotchan (townie): FOS for Millit (speculating on reason for deaths = scum tell, “I’m not ready to start busting heads yet” is “fishy), Menocchio (analysis of dead players as possible scum tell), and Pleo (“townie tell” is suspicious”); observes that Vig should think carefully before killing.

bufftabby: replies to Freudian’s randomization suggestion with “a grain of salt.”

OCS: replies to Hal’s fluff with fluff.

Santo: asks for original player list pre-OAOW’s death; puts out a theory that an “inexperienced scum” might have killed the person above them on the original list in case OAOW was a Beat Cop.

Hawekeyeop: asks why the scum wouldn’t just recruit a Beat Cop rather than kill them.

Pleonast (claimed Priest): replies to dotchan by saying the “why” of a death is important because it pertains to recruitment; points out that scum doing townie analysis could be helpful anyway; says he simply doesn’t think Hal is the boss; remarks that “it’s a fine line” between speculating on why someone was killed and speculating on the actions of the Vig

NAF: responds to Freudian’s idea of random voting by saying it’s “a good way for town to lose.”

Darth Sensitive: responds to Freudian’s idea of random voting by saying it’s not pro-town.

Koldnar (claimed Vig): agrees with NAF that random voting is bad because it reveals nothing.

Pleonast (claimed Priest): points out that town will have many mislynches anyway and that random voting takes away responsibility.

fluidruid: informs Santo that OAOW was between dotchan and Idle Thoughts.

Hal (claimed Priest): replies to Hawk’s question “Why wouldn’t they just recruit?” with the suggestion that the scum was inexperienced.

NAF: bluntly says that a scum kill was stupid.

Menocchio (claimed Dcotor): replies to Santo’s theory by saying the kill was probably random or based on a “gut reaction”; notes that no one seems suspicious at this point.

Diomedes: replies to Menocchio’s suspicions about the bloodthirsty by saying no lynch = no accountability. Votes Menocchio.

Hockey Monkey: Votes Pleonast based on pronoun slip.

NAF: prods Menocchio for even weak reasoning and more sharing of thoughts; asks Dio why he voted for Menocchio.

Blaster Master: says he supported lynching on Day One because it would have generated discussion, and that the odds aren’t much better toDay anyway, but that he doesn’t particularly suspect anyone of being scum based on a no-lynch vote.

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Summary of personal observations to follow.

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Okay. One thing that caught my eye during the re-read was dotchan’s vote for Millit. It made me go over Millit’s posts a bit more carefully, and - I’m surprised I didn’t catch this the first time - she fits the perfect description of being reasonable and helpful yet carefully neutral when it comes to flame-ups. “I’m not ready to start busting heads yet” is actually characteristic of a lot of the posts she’s made - a kind of “let us be calm” post that is very different from the more heated posts that townies are apt to make.

Now, I’m not saying that all townies are going to be hot-headed - but again, townies are less afraid to be reckless and therefore more inclined to spout out stuff they regret later. Scum, on the other hand, will try to avoid this, and therefore will be more inclined to try to seem as helpful and reasonable as possible without actually being helpful. Being the “voice of reason” in a sea of chaos is one way to achieve this.

Hawkeyeop actually seemed to strike this tone as well. Darth Sensitive, on the other hand, seemed more inclined to pick at other people’s posts by criticizing things that are kind of obviously unhelpful (like FS’s random vote suggestion).

Blaster Master also seems to be the very voice of reason in this game, but I can’t decide whether it’s the reason of a veteran experienced player or the poker face of scum. People who aren’t paranoid enough make me nervous. :: twitch ::

Just sharing my albeit fragmented thoughts. All of this being said, I’m still sticking with my present vote. Darth’s slip may very well have been the frustration of a townie, but I made a very similar slip in Conspiracy, as scum . . . so, yeah.

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Sorry, I thought I had made it clear that it was the build of all his posts during the Day that made me suspicious not any single post in particular. I was hoping someone else would also take a look at his posts and see if they agreed with me. Same with FS honestly.

I notice that Hazel didn’t mention Dio or FS much at all in her recap of the Day, so maybe I am seeing things that aren’t there. If I was confident about it, it would have been a vote instead of an FOS.

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Vote: HazelNutCoffee

Your vote post Yesterday did not contain anywhere near the justification that I think you should have. ToDay, you went a little more in depth as to why you did it. But in my defense post, I was only speaking as to wards my rationale from the previous Day. The post hoc justification didn’t play into my reasoning then, and saying that I should have taken Today into account when discussing Yesterday is laughable.

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I don’t understand your post at all. I’m voting for you based on your last post yesterDay (which is, I might add, why everyone else is voting for you, generally speaking), and my resolve is strengthened by the fact that I made a similar slip in another game as scum. The rest of my post is simply my random observations based on my reread of Day 2 and really has nothing to do with my vote for you.

1290

Wow, has anyone else had problems getting to the board lately?

I’m sticking with my vote this time, and I’m not changing it. Until we have a big round of role claims and everything goes to hell at the last minute again, of course.

1291

You know, one thing that’s jumped out at me that has bothered me is NAF’s non-claims. He’s basically dancing around the whole “I’m Town” issue without coming out and saying it. I find his defense a bit sketchy. I don’t want to change my vote just yet, because there are a lot of good reasons that I’ve spelled out before to not vote for NAF, but my vote for DS is quite admittedly weak as hell, and for every reason that NAF has given NOT to vote for him, he’s given a reason TO vote for him.

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I don’t have any strong suspicions at the moment. This post, however, is a poorly reasoned OMGUS. Yeah, it could be Townie defensiveness, but it seems more like a safe vote used to smudge one’s attacker. By “safe”, I mean little risk of getting attention, since we tend to dismiss pairs of votes pointed at each other.

vote Darth Sensitive

Note to fluiddruid and everyone else: I notice that I’m not listed in the vote count under “No vote yet”. I had voted twice, but withdrawn them. So at the time of the vote count, I had no vote. Seems like a great way to slip under the radar.

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Just a quick note (while my browser and the board actually both want to work at the same time): I’ve been doing training at work the whole time we’ve been playing, but tomorrow I actually start my job, so my participation may decrease just a bit. I’m sure I could post while talking to folks on the phone, but either my posts or my work would probably lose some essential pizzazz. Just FYI, so I don’t get accused of changing my playing style when I haven’t really done so.

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I’ve been waiting for a defense from him as well, so I was quite surprised by this one from overnight:

I’m still not certain what he’s defining as his defense post. A search of all his recent posts consists mostly of “I’m busy, more later”.

Post #1184 might be what he’s calling his defense post:

Really not much of a defense. The point of the wagon against DS is that something was said that might have been a scum slip. Simply saying “no, it wasn’t a scum slip” doesn’t cut it. We already know that the possibility exists that it was an innocent comment. A proper defense now consists of trying to convince us that that is the case. This post falls far short of that for me.

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Unvote BlaM

Vote Darth S

I’d rather see him go than NAF.
[oog]I left my laptop charger in Abq, midterms are due this week, and I just got a new project at work, so I’m not going to be showing my smiling face in here as much as you all have come to expect for a couple weeks at least.[/oog]

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For a moment there my brain parsed the "z"s as "s"s. How fitting.

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You’re one to talk, eh?

Baa baa black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Three bags full,
And they’re all for Hal Briston!

1298

I am going to become this game’s brewha aren’t I?

Oh well. I am happy with the DS vote, and will switch over there if need be.

My top suspects (in the order I am currently feeling them)

Millit
Darth
USC
Dot
Bufftabby.
So, unvote bufftabby vote Millit.
Sorry, for my many vote changes fluid. I don’t think I have wrapped my head around this game as well as I thought I had.

1299

I could go for a Millit vote, something about them is just really, really pinging me.

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Wow. I hope the boards aren’t this finicky tomorrow.