Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting [Game Finished]

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[QUOTE=NAF1138]
I am going to become this game’s brewha aren’t I?

Oh well. I am happy with the DS vote, and will switch over there if need be.

My top suspects (in the order I am currently feeling them)

Millit
Darth
USC
Dot
Bufftabby.
So, unvote bufftabby vote Millit.
Sorry, for my many vote changes fluid. I don’t think I have wrapped my head around this game as well as I thought I had.
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Mind telling me why I’m your top suspect again? I’m still not sure what case there is against me, other than the fact that I’ve been calm and neutral. Which I don’t think is entirely true, because I totally snapped at Santo the other Day. It’s funny, though; I’m often the calm/neutral voice of reason IRL, so maybe it’s bleeding over into the game.

I feel like I have a good reason for voting for you, NAF, on the other hand. And now I have another–either you’re voting for me because you’re scum, and you know I need to be offed, or your scumdar isn’t very good for all of your lengthy reasoning and problem-solving. It’s too bad, because I appreciate your posts, but if your analysis is leading you to vote for me, then I’m afraid it’s not worth it. Of course, no one else here knows my alignment, so I guess to everyone else, there’s the possibility that I’m scum, but I don’t know that they’re buying it. (Good on you guys!)

Re: Darth Sensitive, I guess he’s as good as anyone. I don’t know if I buy the “slip-up” theory, but whatever. I don’t have any better ideas, other than NAF. And it seems we’re too divided on him to reach a lynch at this point. Go for it, kill the Sith Lord, and we’ll see what happens.

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I feel like my last post became hamster-chow. To summarize, I asked if I had missed NAF’s judgements against Millit, and expressed concern he was changing votes so often toDay.

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[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
I could go for a Millit vote, something about them is just really, really pinging me.
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I’m a “her,” not a “them.” But I’ll answer to “it” if you can’t manage.

And I’d wait a couple of days before putting me under the gun. Not saying you shouldn’t do it at all, but we have better targets for now. I’m not Mafia! I’m a crappy recruit because I’m inexperienced and have had some suspicion on me every Day. Unless the Boss is recruiting randomly, I think I’d be an unlikely choice. And I’m way too skittish to be a Boss who would kill on the first Night. I guess it’s all WIFOM arguments from there, but I’m telling you, I play pretty conservatively.

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I think NAF1138 has been doing a better job of refuting the case against him Today so I will
unvote NAF1138

I hadn’t really been feeling what everyone else was seeing about Darth Sensitive so I went back and read through his posts from Day 2 and Day 3. To summarize, Day 2 he voted for Pleonast despite his Priest claim. That was a bit suspicious to me, given that there were so many other potential candidates. He didn’t really give anyone else a chance. Day 3 he comes out of the gate with another vote for Pleonast with little to no justification. He later retracted that vote stating that he had convinced himself Pleonast was scum and had some bias. He then was absent most of the rest of the Day (although he posted an excuse) and comes in near the end with a vote for dotchan that was soley based on bufftabby’s Post 927 but he didn’t even summarize the arguement or do any work on his own.

Then of course there was the suspicious Twilight post that has been poorly defended.

vote Darth Sensitive

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The case against Darth Sensitive hasn’t really convinced me yet, primarily because I can behave in a similar way when I’m town. Because I know what I am, I know that the vote on me is based on a misapprehension, and I expect others to see that. Then a second vote, and a third, but somehow I still expect the people to see sense.

Except they don’t.

Then I put up a fight, but usually get hung anyway because too few people really think I’m guiltless.

The foregoing doesn’t mean that DS is not scum, it means that there’s a reason why he might be behaving this way if town.

It’s now less than 24 hours before Nightfall, and it looks to me like Darth S will go down without a fight. That’s not saying “scum” to me, that’s saying “despairing” - he can’t see a way to save himself so he’s given up trying. It tells me nothing about his alignment.

There’s a couple of people to look into before posting a vote, and I have to have some tea.

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[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]
I’m a “her,” not a “them.” But I’ll answer to “it” if you can’t manage.

And I’d wait a couple of days before putting me under the gun. Not saying you shouldn’t do it at all, but we have better targets for now. I’m not Mafia! I’m a crappy recruit because I’m inexperienced and have had some suspicion on me every Day. Unless the Boss is recruiting randomly, I think I’d be an unlikely choice. And I’m way too skittish to be a Boss who would kill on the first Night. I guess it’s all WIFOM arguments from there, but I’m telling you, I play pretty conservatively.
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Sorry, I’d rather use “them” if I don’t know or remember the proper gender.

But, in real news, what will waiting a couple days do? Do you mean a couple Days? Regardless, why will waiting help?

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[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]

And I’d wait a couple of days before putting me under the gun. Not saying you shouldn’t do it at all, but we have better targets for now. I’m not Mafia!
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Ok…so here’s the thing. It sounds to me like you just role claimed, but did it in the worst way possible. I am hoping that this isn’t true.
RE: my vote for you, my analysis has yet to net anything usefull, so I am going with my gut. Not ideal, and in fact it tends to hit power roles about as often as it does scum (see my big worry at the top of this post), but better than nothing.

Here’s the other thing, I am as much a rookie at this game, at this point, as you are. This marks the first time I have ever lived past Day 3 as a townie. So, while I have ideas about what should work based on running a few games and playing as scum a lot, this is the first time I am ever getting to really try out a lot of them.

Some of them are having mixed results. I tried setting some traps for the scum on Day 2, for example, that didn’t seem to pay off at all. Again, maybe I wasn’t subltle enough. But I was hoping that if I called the scum stupid often enough that one of them would respond. Unfortunatly only Idle acutally responded, the closest runners up I found were FS and Dio.

Like I said, I am just thinking out loud. This is also why my vote is changing so much.

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Vote NAF for trying to play a rookie card. You know you can’t play a rookie card and get away with it.

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[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
Vote NAF for trying to play a rookie card. You know you can’t play a rookie card and get away with it.
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Maybe not, but it’s true. I have never made it past Day 3 as town before. And I only made it to Day 3 once.

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[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]
And I’d wait a couple of days before putting me under the gun. Not saying you shouldn’t do it at all, but we have better targets for now. I’m not Mafia! I’m a crappy recruit because I’m inexperienced and have had some suspicion on me every Day. Unless the Boss is recruiting randomly, I think I’d be an unlikely choice. And I’m way too skittish to be a Boss who would kill on the first Night. I guess it’s all WIFOM arguments from there, but I’m telling you, I play pretty conservatively.
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There are so many things I want to say about this post, but for a variety of reasons am reluctant to. For now I will content myself with this - you do realize that your argument of “I couldn’t be the Boss because I’d never do that!” is begging the question? It only works under the premise that you are “way too skittish” which none of us have any way of confirming. Besides, it makes more sense for a normally conservative player to do something unexpected as the Boss, if for no better reason to keep the townies guessing.

That’s such a bizzare argument to defend yourself with that I don’t even know what to think.

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I don’t have much of a fight to put up.

They all said something to the effect of what I did, before a lynch was imminent. They didn’t know who was going to be bumped. I did when I made my post, and I thought it was a bad lynch - I said so. It would have been rather nice to have been proved wrong and for dotchan mk1 to have been scum, but we still have the issue of having exposed our doc, detective, a priest, and a mason to public scrutiny in one day, and that’s ignoring the priest roleclaim on day two.

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Darth Sensitive (9): Hal Briston, (NAF1138), OneCentStamp, bufftabby, HazelNutCoffee, Drain Bead [sub for Idle Thoughts], Koldanar, Pleonast, Santo Rugger, USCDiver [sub for Diomedes]
NAF1138 (6): Blaster Master, Menocchio, Hawkeyeop, , Hotflungwok, (dotchan II), (Pleonast), Millit the Frail, Hockey Monkey
HazelNutCoffee (1): Darth Sensitive
Blaster Master (1): (Pleonast), (Santo Rugger), sinjin
Millit the Frail (1): NAF1138
bufftabby (0): (NAF1138)
Millit the Frail (0): (NAF1138)

No vote yet:
MHaye

No current vote:
dotchan II

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Game master note:

It’s been pretty quiet for a Monday, and we’ve had very little activity in the thread overall since Friday. Is this due to the downtime we’ve had sporatically through today and yesterday?

If that’s the case, I propose that I extend the day to end 24 hours later (11am Wednesday).

If people are intentionally quiet or just don’t have much to say, I’ll end the day as planned.

Feedback?

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I vote we keep the deadline. An extra day is just going to maike everyone lazier.

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I’m convinced for now. Unvote Darth Sensitive. One of my main issues with him was his lackluster defense. I know, I know, CapnPitt got lynched for TOO much defensiveness (full disclosure: I was one of the lynchers), and now we’re jumping on poor Darth Sensitive for just the opposite, but it still didn’t seem right to me. Now I feel like DS has resolved that issue for me, as well as pointing out that other people made extremely similar comments that didn’t really jump out at me previously.

Now here’s the issue: who the hell am I gonna vote for? On one hand, Millit seems to be pretty under-the-radar, but I’m not completely convinced that’s intentional and/or scummy on her part.

Which leads me to my other prospect: NAF1138. Say I believe Millit. I’ve already taken Darth Sensitive off my list for now. Millit, DS, and I were all on NAF’s “I’d be okay with killing…” list. If I do believe Millit, then to my eyes that’s an all-townie list of suspicion. On my own, that’s a reactionary OMGUS vote for NAF on my part. With a WHOLE list of town, it’s not OMGUS, it’s scummy.

So: for me, this basically comes down to either,
a)I believe Millit and vote for NAF
-or-
b)I trust NAF and vote for Millit
-or-
c)something crazy happens this evening and I vote for…a third party candidate.

I just don’t quite know what to think.

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I had a long post in response to Hal about exactly what DS could do to convince us that what he did was not a scum slip, and instead was a frustrated townie comment. I figured there really wasn’t much that he could do other than say it. Obviously, I should read the whole thread before responding.

Now THAT’S a defense, DS. I just wish you’d done it sooner.

unvote Darth Sensitive
vote NAF

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Keep the deadline. That’s my opinion.

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I would assume that the low posting level for Sunday is normal posting behaviour exacerbated by the downtimes. The sporadic posting today is more likely to be caused by the downtimes.

What I would do is scheduled an extension if a certain minimum number of players - say 7, as that’s a third of the living players (±1) - don’t respond by 5pm your time. (I’m writing this at approaching 8:40pm GMT which is, iirc, 5 hours in front of Central Summer Time). That gives 80 minutes.

If sufficient people respond, then keep the original schedule.

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BTW, those of you who read the off-board game know that I spent early Sunday morning in the ER and am now still under the influence of some not-so-fun painkillers. Half the time I’m reading the thread while zonked out, and the other half I am not zonked out, just in pain. So if I post less or shorter posts in the next 24 hours, that’s why. Hopefully by then I will start feeling better.

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[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
I had a long post in response to Hal about exactly what DS could do to convince us that what he did was not a scum slip, and instead was a frustrated townie comment. I figured there really wasn’t much that he could do other than say it. Obviously, I should read the whole thread before responding.

Now THAT’S a defense, DS. I just wish you’d done it sooner.

[color=red]unvote Darth Sensitive[color]
[color=blue]vote NAF[color]
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um, why back to me?

Never mind. I believe you are who you say you are, I am just not following your logic.

@bufftabby

You don’t actually have to vote for either of us. Vote for who you think is scummiest has always been good advice. If you think Millit is scummy, vote for her, if you think I am, vote for me.

I am a little upset because I think I have managed to cause the town to waste another Day focused on me, but hey, I am trying to get out of that spotlight. I don’t think we will learn anything from my lynch beyond town still liking to lynch the players that talk the most.

Watch out BlaM, you’re next on the block.

Sorry for becoming so maudlin, but this game has been frustrating for me. I feel like I am going in circles with my analysis, as well as with people attacking me.