Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting [Game Finished]

The Game Room
1521

[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
If this Town as a whole thinks that lynching the Boss is the very top priority and are going to hold off lynching any KNOWN scum until the Boss is lynched, then we are screwed. I understand the premise behind the strategy, but just how long do you all propose we continue to let the scum add to their ranks without actively lynching someone we know to be scum?
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Yeah, I’d love to lunch the boss, but lynching scum and keeping their numbers down as much as possible is good too. Until we find out who the boss is, I think it’s best to lynch any scum.

1522

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Seriously, can role fishing get any more blatant than this?
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I’m not sure what she would be fishing for, if she were scum. She’s either a concerned townie who’s misplayed her hand (no thanks to the Town, I might add) or a scum that’s taking a huge risk for . . . what? If she came up with a different result than Priest it doesn’t seem like there’d be a need to force Pleonast to say anything, really - unless the scum are idiots. It’d make much more sense for them to quietly recruit Pleonast instead of making such an unholy fuss over the whole thing.

1523

Drain Bead what advantage will the town gain if Pleonast reveals his ‘real’ role?

1524

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Look at it this way. Scum could practically daily come out and force a dichotomy like the one that Drain Bead is pulling right now. If we lynch her, they have a high probability of replacing her with someone else; if we lynch me then her, they get TWO chances to recruit meaning they’re down one scum, but up an expected number greater than one. Consider that there’s probably a 50% chance we’ll get either right, the scum end up ahead by simply attempting recruits until and forcing a decision between one of their own that isn’t the Boss and a townie.

I’d crunch up some numbers to prove my point, but since everyone is buying her completely incoherent story, I suspect it’d be a waste of my time, so I won’t even bother.
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You seem to be missing the fact that if you come up town, I die immediately tomorrow, so the scum can’t go forcing these sorts of decisions again and again. They won’t have a detective to do it with. Ditto if I die toDay and all my info is confirmed. You’re attempting to create a fear of something that will never be allowed to happen.

1525

[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
Honestly, I’d rather we lynch you, if we’re looking to semi-confirm me. It’s better to lynch scum than town, after all. But that only lasts for a Day. I could very well be recruited toNight. So far I’d say that our protective roles have done a fabulous job, but that can’t last forever. I’m either going to be killed or recruited VERY soon. Might as well get everything out on the table before I go, one way or the other.

Implicating you if you were not scum would be a classically stupid flame-out move if I were scum, especially so if I were the Boss, as I’d be signing my own death warrant the next Day. It would make more sense if we were BOTH scum, but either way it would mean dead scum if you died today. If I died toDay, we’d be down two townies by Dawn tomorrow, and if you died toDay, we’d be down one. But if the town isn’t going to believe me alive, they’ll sure as hell believe me dead.
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Dear God, what are you smoking? Playing dumb doesn’t help. You’re playing your townie cred as a former detective to increase the odds that I get lynched before you do. If I get lynched, then you’ll be proven as scum, but it won’t matter, becasue not only did you get a townie lynched (and I suspect you know power role as well), but you bought the Boss another Night to recruit, and chances are you’d get lynched the next Day, buying the Boss at least two Nights of recruitment AND a useful power role in exchange for Vanilla scum. Sounds like a DAMN good trade to me.

1526

[QUOTE=hotflungwok]
Drain Bead what advantage will the town gain if Pleonast reveals his ‘real’ role?
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The answer to that question entirely depends on the answer he gives to me. If it’s the right answer, I’ll confirm it. If it’s the wrong answer, we’ve found the Boss.

1527

[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
No, lynching her would eliminate the:

BlaM: You’re scum.
Drain: No, you’re scum!

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Well, so would lynching BlaM.

Lynching BlaM now and lynching him later - what’s the difference? I do think we need to focus the discussion on finding the Boss, but upon reflection I’d rather kill someone that’s going to give us some kind of solid result afterwards. That means either lynching him or Drain Bead toDay. Either lynch will tell us something in the end.

Having to choose, I’m going to vote Blaster Master for the time being. Like I said, I’ll post my pet theory when I have a chance to sit down and put together a more solid case, which means sometime after tonight, given my schedule.

1528

Maybe you two (Drain Bead and Blaster Master) are both scum, and you’re cleverly playing off each other.

If you’re both scum, whichever of you is not lynched will come off looking vindicated if we Towners assume a false dichotomy (i.e. that one and only one of you is scum). That leaves one scum who’s more or less unimpeachably assumed to be Town. And even if I’m right, and we suspect the ploy, you’ve cleverly sacrificed one non-Boss scum and given the Boss another night to do his business.

1529

[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
I’m not sure what she would be fishing for, if she were scum. She’s either a concerned townie who’s misplayed her hand (no thanks to the Town, I might add) or a scum that’s taking a huge risk for . . . what? If she came up with a different result than Priest it doesn’t seem like there’d be a need to force Pleonast to say anything, really - unless the scum are idiots. It’d make much more sense for them to quietly recruit Pleonast instead of making such an unholy fuss over the whole thing.
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Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Trust me, if I were scum, the entire scum team would know Pleonast’s true role by now and I would have no need to make a big deal of the fact that he lied about his roleclaim. I would have gone silently to my grave without breathing a word of it, or just made something up.

1530

[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
I’m not sure what she would be fishing for, if she were scum. She’s either a concerned townie who’s misplayed her hand (no thanks to the Town, I might add) or a scum that’s taking a huge risk for . . . what? If she came up with a different result than Priest it doesn’t seem like there’d be a need to force Pleonast to say anything, really - unless the scum are idiots. It’d make much more sense for them to quietly recruit Pleonast instead of making such an unholy fuss over the whole thing.
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But by doing this, implying that he’s not the Priest, whether he is or not, now makes a former confirmed townie under suspicion. He could come out and say “Yes, I am, she’s lying!” then we lynch her and she comes up scum, and he seems confirmed again. But in all that, if he really isn’t, he could have been recruited with that knowledge and simply saying that to gain pro-town cred and further distract us from finding the Boss. If he’s not, and he admits it, he then goes straight from the confirmed pool to the unconfirmed pool, regardless of what his role is, and then they don’t actually have to recruit him at all.

1531

[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
The answer to that question entirely depends on the answer he gives to me. If it’s the right answer, I’ll confirm it. If it’s the wrong answer, we’ve found the Boss.
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OK, I think I get it. You investigated Pleonast and got a power role back, different from priest. That means that either Pleonast is lying about being a priest to cover for another power role, or he is the boss and you got a random power role back from your investigation.

1532

[QUOTE=OneCentStamp]
Maybe you two (Drain Bead and Blaster Master) are both scum, and you’re cleverly playing off each other.

If you’re both scum, whichever of you is not lynched will come off looking vindicated if we Towners assume a false dichotomy (i.e. that one and only one of you is scum). That leaves one scum who’s more or less unimpeachably assumed to be Town. And even if I’m right, and we suspect the ploy, you’ve cleverly sacrificed one non-Boss scum and given the Boss another night to do his business.
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That is quite true, and something I do not want people to lose sight of. If you believe me and kill BlaM, the fact that he comes up scum does not mean anything to whether or not I wake up scum Tomorrow. At best, it confirms me up to toDay. That’s true about pretty much anyone that has been “confirmed” town. The only true confirmation is death.

1533

[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
The answer to that question entirely depends on the answer he gives to me. If it’s the right answer, I’ll confirm it. If it’s the wrong answer, we’ve found the Boss.
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Oh wow, let’s see if we can gain more townie cred with faulty logic. It doesn’t matter WHAT he says, you can confirm it either way! If he’s town and you’re not, you just confirm whatever he says, scum gain that information, and you gain townie cred. If he’s scum, you can confirm whatever he says.

1534

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Oh wow, let’s see if we can gain more townie cred with faulty logic. It doesn’t matter WHAT he says, you can confirm it either way! If he’s town and you’re not, you just confirm whatever he says, scum gain that information, and you gain townie cred. If he’s scum, you can confirm whatever he says.
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No need to get belligerent. You’ve already implied that I’m “playing dumb,” now you’re getting sarcastic. It’s just a game. Try not to insult your fellow players, even if they are trying to get you killed.

The simple answer to what you just said is “I’m town. Therefore, I will only confirm what he says if it matches with what I saw. If it doesn’t, I will say so, because that means we’ve found the boss.” But we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

1535

[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
If this Town as a whole thinks that lynching the Boss is the very top priority and are going to hold off lynching any KNOWN scum until the Boss is lynched, then we are screwed. I understand the premise behind the strategy, but just how long do you all propose we continue to let the scum add to their ranks without actively lynching someone we know to be scum?
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We need to hold off lynching scum until we get the Boss. We are screwed .period. if we do not lynch the Boss. You agree with that, I assume?

So the choice is between lynching the Boss sooner or lynching her (:p) later. What does lynching a known scum gain us? Please, tell me, because I don’t see how having one fewer scum helps us when the Boss has a high chance of replacing them.

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Drain, you are acting seriously anti-Town ToDay. In order of importance:

  1. Your self vote. We need to lynch the Boss. Unless you’re claiming you are the Boss, do not vote for yourself.
  2. Your vote for Blaster. Do you think he is the Boss?
  3. The way you’re handling your investigation of me. What does the Town gain by your actions?

I’m unsure if you’re a Townie who isn’t thinking things through carefully (no fault implied, I do the same thing sometimes), or a Scum who’s trying to wreak the most havoc. Either way, you’re not the Boss (or if you are, you lucky dog for hitting the real Detective so early and congrats for a great bluff), and I’m not voting for you.

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Blaster, you are at the top of my lynch list, but postponed until the Boss is dead. You can crunch the numbers for yourself, but the odds are you have been recruited, from the standpoint of an unprivileged observer. If you are still Town, then we will trade you for one of them, which will be worth it once the Boss is gone.

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My list of Boss candidate is
dotchan [Freudian Slit]
bufftabby
Darth Sensitive
Hawkeyeop
HazelNutCoffee
Hockey Monkey
MHaye
Millit the Frail
OneCentStamp
Santo Rugger
USCDiver [Diomedes]

Eleven players. Without search capability, it is much more difficult to check out each one. I’m not sure where to start.

On preview: wow, you guys post fast. Sorry, if anything above has already been addressed.

1536

Well, as much fun as all this running around in circles yelling “scum! scum!” is, I’m much more willing to take my chances and lose BLaM rather than DB right now. My vote stays where it is.

[QUOTE=hotflungwok]
Yeah, I’d love to lunch the boss,…
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Dining with the Boss? Major scum tell.

1537

[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
No need to get belligerent. You’ve already implied that I’m “playing dumb,” now you’re getting sarcastic. It’s just a game. Try not to insult your fellow players, even if they are trying to get you killed.

The simple answer to what you just said is “I’m town. Therefore, I will only confirm what he says if it matches with what I saw. If it doesn’t, I will say so, because that means we’ve found the boss.” But we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.
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I’m not being belligerent. I’m getting frustrated because all of these points you keep bringing up to make it look like you’re pro-town are decidedly lacking logic and any pro-town motivation. It’s circular logic, “I’m town, therefore when Pleonast says his role and I confirm it, it will prove that I’m town.” Do you see the circular nature of that at all?

1538

[QUOTE=Hal Briston]
Dining with the Boss? Major scum tell.
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Cmon, it’s been a while since I’ve had good Italian food.

1539

[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
That is quite true, and something I do not want people to lose sight of. If you believe me and kill BlaM, the fact that he comes up scum does not mean anything to whether or not I wake up scum Tomorrow. At best, it confirms me up to toDay. That’s true about pretty much anyone that has been “confirmed” town. The only true confirmation is death.
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It doesn’t even confirm you up to Today. It could mean that you’re having a fight in which one of you gets reconfirmed as townie.

Hypotheses: both are scum
BlaM lynch: DB goes - “Look see! I found scum! I’m town! Yay town!” (plot plot plot)
DB lynch: BlaM goes - “Look! Told you they were nasty scum! I’m town afterall! Yay town!” (plot plot plot)

1540

I’m going to repeat what I’ve said above.

We need to kill either Drain Bead or Blaster Master toDay.

If we lynch Drain Bead and she turns up Town, well - obviously all her investigations were true, and BlaM is next. If she turns up scum, then yay, I guess.

If we lynch BlaM and he turns up Town, we lynch Drain Bead next. If he turns up scum, then we’ll have confirmed Drain Bead for the time being.

I am really not buying Drain Bead being scum. It’s just all wrong. Falsely identifying a townie as scum (as she is supposedly doing with BlaM) is just asking for trouble. The smartest thing she could have done was to simply confirm a townie as a townie. What she’s done toDay just seems too much of a risk with too little gain for scum to be taking at this point.