Which is what I was trying to convey, maybe clumsily.
I am serious about this. I prefer to be lynched than say anything more.
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Hazel and others, lynching Blaster and/or Drain ultimately does not help us when the Boss continues to increase the Mafia’s ranks. Unless you want to assert one of them is the Boss.
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I don’t think lynching me is the best move toDay, but it will at least show the truth of everything I’ve said so far.
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There’s a slim chance he’s the Boss, and a 100% chance he’s scum. That, to me, is better odds than we’d have if attempting to weed out the Boss from our list. Also, by lynching him we gain the advantage of not having BlaM, a very good player, as a scum asset any longer. Those two reasons are what justify my vote.
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Pleonast, look at it this way. The scum now know that you are recruitable because of what I’ve said today. Was that the right decision? I don’t know yet, because I don’t know if the result I got on you is correct or not. At this point, nothing will be lost by you properly roleclaiming that hasn’t already been lost by me calling you to the carpet. There’s a chance you are the Boss, because I’ve made it perfectly clear that you lied about your roleclaim. Now that this is out in the open, there’s no point in your continued reticence to fully claim. Hell, even if you ARE the Boss, there’s a chance you could guess right on the result I got. I won’t know the difference. But right now, the only reason you have to not claim is gone.
I’ll be fine if I have to sacrifice myself later to prove that she’s lying scum, but as I’ve said several times, it’s not in the town’s best interest to figure out which of us is lying yet, we can do that whenever. What I’m trying to draw attention to is her desperation to get either herself or me lynched in the face of the logic that we’ve been discussing. Of course, I know that she’s scum, so it’s easier for me to see, but still, what reason would scum have to pull a tactic like this unless either they’re THAT afraid of me or my role (and I’m not inclined to believe that) or the Boss had garnered some amount of suspicion yesterday and she is pulling this ploy to keep us distracted.
Now, running on the second one, two people come to mind, Millit the Frail for her high level of unnecessary defensiveness and Darth Sensitive. If I’m correct in her desperation, then I wouldn’t be surprised if one of those two is the Boss. Now, I realize that Darth Sensitive was nearly lynched yesterday, but in consideration, I’d have also expected him to garner less suspicion Today because of his good defense and the fact that the supposed slip was the only evidence against him. Millit, OTOH, was gaining suspicion, and I think the reason she didn’t garner more votes was simply because the Day was coming to a close.
If I’m right, I think we have a fairly reasonable chance of finding the Boss in there, and I think investigating them is FAR more fruitful than continuing to be suckered into this ridiculous plot.
No, it won’t confirm that I’m town, and that’s not why I’m doing this. It will confirm that he’s not the Boss, which IS why I’m doing this.
I get what people are saying about scum lynches being useless until we find the Boss, but if a lynch gains us information, so much for the better, and a scum lynch at least keeps their numbers down for the time being.
What the hell would that gain for them? Scum aren’t idiots, and neither of their deaths are going to fully confirm the other either way. That’s a lot of risk - and loss - for the scum with virtually no gain. Scum HAVE killed each other in the past, but only because in exchange for that they could build townie cred with the rest of the townies. Confirmation in this game means nothing unless you are a non-recruitable role, which neither of them have claimed to be.
It only gains them something if the scum think we’re close to lynching the Boss.
Why do people keep saying this? This is precisely what she’s depending on you to think. If she succeeds in getting me lynched, she’s traded her own vanilla scum self for the lynch of a pro-town power role, and given the Boss two more Days of recruitment opportunities. How is this NOT a logical trade? How is it risky at all?
If she confirms a townie, sure, she maintains her townie cred, but the scum would also know that her townie cred deteriorates with each passing Night and townie cred is useless if it’s not leveraged. If the Boss has gained a lot of suspicion, then when better to leverage that credibility than now to distract us from lynching him?
But Darth is suggesting that they’re both scum and doing this to reconfirm the other. I’m saying that’s bullshit.
Upon reflection, I’d happily lynch Darth toDay as well, but I haven’t quite finished combing through his posts yet.
EBWOP: Look at it this way. Pleonast claimed a completely unrecruitable, unverifiable role. He has massive townie cred that wouldn’t have gone anywhere had I not said what I said. I know his roleclaim to be incorrect. If he’s town, the worst I’ve done is taken away his protection against recruitment. But if he’s the Boss, and I didn’t come forward, we would never find the Boss and we would most definitely lose. Trust me, I’ve been debating this in my head ever since I got that result. Lynch all liars, and all that, but I could see townie reasons for him to lie as well. This was not an easy decision to make by any means. High risk, but potentially high reward.
He already said he’s not going to play along, and with good reason. You confirming or denying him doesn’t prove anything about whether he’s the Boss. If you deny him, it just means one of you are lying. THEN who do we believe? When you get lynched and come up scum, it won’t prove anything. This entire thing depends upon you being town. So it doesn’t prove anything about him being the Boss OR you being the town
It seems that Drain Bead’s role would mean more to the mafia alive than dead for the time being.
Um, wait a minute. Are you saying Drain Bead is a vanilla scum that’s claimed Detective?
Once again, I am not trying to prove I’m town by doing this. I think I stated my reasons why very clearly, and I’m not going to say anything more on the subject. If Pleonast is truly town, he has nothing to gain any more by remaining silent. The only pro-town reason he had for keeping his role quiet, if it is truly his role, is now gone.
Lynching a known non-Boss scum is a short-term gain for a long-term cost. It is not a wise choice.
There’s some merit to your reasoning. But Blaster is right about how you’re trying to do it.
If I go first and then you confirm it, we gain nothing. We’ll be in the same situation as now, but the Mafia will have certain knowledge. You will not be viewed as any more trustworthy, because you’ll simply be echoing what I said. If you contradict what I say, then we have another who-do-you-believe situation. If you’re right about Blaster, I’m sure the Town would be happy to lynch me next.
If you go first and say what your investigation returned, it doesn’t matter what I say. If I’m not who I investigated as, the real one can counterclaim and you’d have me. If I am who I investigated as, the lack of counterclaim will “confirm” me. Furthermore, it will increase your credibility on this Day, since you’ll have another correct investigation to point to.
What more would she mean to them? I don’t see the point of Capoing her, since it’s probably better used on the Doctor or, if they find the Bishop (which they very well may know, since she was recruited). And she’s not a Vanilla Townie, so she’s not the hit man either. I guess she’d actually be a consigliere but, even still, that’s virtually indistinguishable from a a vanilla scum.
Hrm, yeah, that’s interesting, because it doesn’t make sense. If I ever was the detective, I’d be a Consigliere or Capo, not vanilla scum. If I was the Boss who recruited the Detective, I’d be the Boss, not vanilla scum. I claimed on Day Three, and there was a scum kill on Night One, so the recruit on Night Two would have made me the Hitman if I was recruited as a vanilla townsperson, not vanilla scum, but then the real detective would not have been recruited at that point and would have counterclaimed me, right? So the only logical conclusion to draw from that is that there is no way that I’m vanilla scum. I’m either the Boss, Capo, or Consigliere.
If we continue holding off getting rid of scum until we are sure we have the Boss in our sights we may as well give up now. We will NEVER be sure until the Boss is dead!!!
Pleo you are not coming off well here. I called out Drain on not revealing her first nights investigation awhile ago. She indicated she left bread-crumbs which if you want I can try to find without the search function. When I read back thru her posts and found her crumbs it was clear to me that she investigated YOU. I thought it was so clear that she placed you in danger of being recruited, and I backed off so as not to draw anymore attention to you. Your refusal to claim your actual role toDay makes me suspect that you have indeed been recruited or are the Boss.
And again I ask if Drain was scum and wanted a diversion why didn’t she say Blaster was the Boss? It would have been a slam-dunk, mission accomplished.
Or, if as sinjin has claimed, the scum picked up on my breadcrumb (that I in part dropped in an attempt to get you off my back when you were voting for me before I claimed) and already recruited you. I would not be at all shocked if you were already on the scum side, which is another reason why I came out with what I did today. Mind you, if you were recruited you’d have no problem coming forward with your former role, because you know it would not be counterclaimed!
Drain, do you see why it is better that you simply say what you investigated me as? At this point, that is the better course to take.
Anyway, I’m going to vote for who I think is the boss:
Vote Darth Sensitive
I can think of one reason, and that would be that the claim to have found the Boss might have been viewed with greater skepticism. There is a 50% chance that the Boss is mis-identified, so perhaps townies would think a Boss find would be too good to be true.
On the other hand - even so, we probably would have lynched first and asked questions later if there was even the possibility we’d found the Boss. So yes, you do have a point.
I suppose my other question is - if she is indeed scum and wanted to create a diversion - why Blaster Master? BlaM is an experienced player and obviously he wouldn’t go down without a hard fight. There has already been plenty of speculation that the Boss is a newbie player. If she wanted to be more convincing she could have picked anyone else and have had more of an assurance that it would go through smoothly.
The fact that she announced Blaster Master, and the fact that she said Consigliere (instead of Boss or Soldier - if she’s lying, it just seems like a really odd scum role to lie about), just makes the whole thing more improbably, in my mind.