Drain, can you please just say your result on me? I will then present separate information that confirms my role. If I don’t or it’s not convincing, you’ll be able to lynch me.
I’m buying into the argument that it’s worthwhile for us to take a stab at the Boss rather than lynching a known scum who isn’t likely to be the Boss. I think Blaster Master is scum, but I don’t think he’s the Boss, and the whole Blaster Master/Drain Bead/Pleonast circle jerk is drawing attention away from whoever the Boss is. You were my dark horse candidate for Boss (and my vote) yesterday, and I haven’t really seen any reason to revise that hunch.
And OCS, seriously? Assuming you are a Beat Cop, you made a HUGE anti-town move by claiming when there is absolutely no pressure on you. Even if BlaM is not the lynchee today, which it seems he will most certainly be, it seems as if Darth Sensitive, MTF, or even Pleonast would be on the block before you. Now the scum know that they can get another Consigliere to replace BlaM tonight, take away yet another investigative role from the town, and splits our protective roles even further, giving the scum more of a chance at an unblocked recruit.
While I’m not pleased that OCS has come out, I really can’t fault him for not trusting us not to pretty much choose someone at random while he can’t defend himself. He’s also contradictable by the Chief, so I believe him.
What I take from his investigations is the HazelNutCoffee is unlikely to be the Boss (I don’t know the math, but the chances that OCS found the boss and failed the roll to get a good result seem really slim), and that if we’re concentrating on the Boss, we ought not to lynch her without a really good reason.
Okay, role-claim time.
I am not the Boss.
There, doesn’t that make y’all feel better?
Drain Bead, I understand your frustration, but it’s spilled milk by this point, and the way votes swing so fast in those last hours I kind of understand where OneCent is coming from.
So, like, you gonna tell us Pleonast’s role or what? If he’s got nothing we’ll just lynch him later. So please put us out of our misery.
Yes, but what qualifies as “absolutely no pressure?” I came damn close to being lynched - out of nowhere - on Day 2. There was no pressure that day either, until I went from zero votes to the lead in the space of about half an hour.
I’m sorry if I hurt the town, though.
Ok, at this point I’m going to take a look at the possibilities for Pleonast’s true role in an attempt to get this little stand-off settled.
First, a couple of assumptions. One, Pleonast has some non-Priest Power Role. Second, he has some bit of information that make his True claim confirmable (that Drain Bead doesn’t know).
Let’s eliminate Doctor, Detective, Vigilante, Priest as possibilities. This leaves Mason, Bishop, Beat Cop, or Police Chief as potential candidates. Thirty minutes ago, I would have left ‘Beat Cop’ on this list as he could claim he was recruited by the Police Chief who could confirm his role, but with OneCentStamp having claimed this role, I’m going to eliminate it.
Each of the remaining possibilities has at least one other person who could confirm the role.
If Pleonast is the Bishop, Hal Briston could confirm it was Pleo that ordained him.
If Pleo is a Mason, then sinjin can confirm him.
If Pleo is the Police Chief, then OneCentStamp can confirm he was Inducted.
So there is really no one that Pleo could be protecting now by holding out.
I’m sure the Scum have already gone through these possibilities and realized that Pleo could be a prime candidate for Capo. So we’re going to have to lynch him sooner or later. Might as well go ahead and make that decision now.
Pleonast, if I’m mistaken in my analysis and your secret bit of information would still benefit the town by staying hidden then ignore me. But if I’m right, then there is no reason for you not to go ahead and claim at this point.
Although, ugh, it isn’t clear in the rules if either OneCentStamp or Hal Briston would know who made them. However, the real Bishop or Police Chief could counter-claim if Pleonast claims a role not his own again.
From the rules:
The chief may know who I am, but I don’t know him.
Sorry, nope. The Bishop’s identity was never revealed to me.
And FTR, I’d like to hear Drain Bead spill first.
Then my analysis is bunk I suppose. Carry on.
Um, wouldn’t that mean that since Pleonast says he can be confirmed, and we know two of the three you list can’t confirm, that Pleonast has to be a Mason?
Wait, he could be a beat cop too, we know there’s probably more than one non-recruited, just not how many.
Or he could be the Police Chief and, before OneCentStamp’s claim, was counting on saying that he had Inducted OneCentStamp as his confirmation. At this point, saying he is the Bishop or Police Chief can only be refuted by a counter-claim. Same with a Mason claim.
Since he’s still saying there is some bit of information he has that will help confirm him, I can only suppose it’s something I haven’t thought of. Or he’s scum who’s scared shitless.
I’m going to just go with what I had yesterday; I don’t think blaster is worth killing right now. I do want to hear from drain bead over just what this Pleo role is, but again…not voting there.
vote Darth Sensitive. I haven’t pulled anything out of any of the counter arguments that I should not vote for him. Or her. God I keep losing track of that 
From what I know of Pleonast’s role and of the rules, I do not think it would be confirmable by an outside source.
Well, he did say he had a piece of information you did not.
If it’s unsatisfactory, we’ll fucking lynch him somewhere along the way.
And here’s the thing–that piece of information will differ depending on what I say, I’m sure. He’s not a Mason, I can tell you that right now. Nobody else can confirm Police Chief or Bishop or Beat Cop. If anyone can think of anything in the rules that I might be missing here, let me know, and I’ll tell first. But right now, I can’t see how he could have a piece of information that would do anything to confirm his role.
If he doesn’t have anything to be afraid of, why doesn’t he go ahead and tell? Then I can confirm, and he can follow up with his additional piece of information. The truth is the truth. I investigated him the first night I had a chance, before my roleclaim–hell, before I even really started playing. It would have been a pretty good coup by the Mafia to recruit a newly replaced player who just happened to be the Detective. And I was pretty consistent after my roleclaim that I didn’t think it was a good idea for me to come forward with that info. I didn’t even want to say who I investigated. But now that I fear I am not long for this world in my present form, I think it’s necessary that the correct info gets out there. But I’m not going to spoon-feed Pleonast. If he is the Boss, that just plays right into his hands. If he’s not, he has nothing to lose by going first–I will tell the truth about the role that I got when I investigated him.
Those of you who are asking me to go first–what possible pro-town result can you see coming out of that?
The pro-Town result is that we can’t be sure you haven’t been recruited and you going first lets the Town know you’re still giving good results. If I go first, I can confirm myself, we gain no new information from you. You’ll just be repeating what I said.
If my assertion of having additional information is a bluff, what could I gain as scum? You’ll lynch me if my information is unsatisfactory. You’re already in a trade-off situation with Blaster. Do you really suppose the Mafia would sacrifice another player to get you?
If you think I’m still on the Town side, trust me when I say I can confirm myself. If you think I’m not, reveal your information and then lynch me when I don’t put up.
Think of it from my point of view. I was hiding in plain sight until you revealed I lied. If you’re still Town, the Mafia still doesn’t know my precise role (and how valuable I may or may not be). I have no incentive to say anything. Lynching is better for me.
If you’ve been compromised, me revealing first simply gives the advantage to you. And still lynching is better for me. In either case, the most pro-Town play for me is to force you to reveal first. Or be lynched instead. So that’s where I stand.
If you’re scum, the Mafia wasn’t aware that I had info on another player until after I came out with the BlaM stuff. And I don’t see this as being a set-up in which the Mafia is trying to get me. They can “get me” at any time, by killing or recruitment. That’s a red herring, and I’m really not sure why you’re bringing it up. If you’re scum, you’re the Boss, that much is damn near certain. And as such, you’d say anything to get me to go first, so you can then manufacture your additional info. And here’s how it’s going to go. If I say you’re the Bishop, you say that you prayed with Hal. If I say that you’re the Police Chief, you say that you turned OCS into a Beat Cop, and give your investigation results, which I bet will be stuff that we already know. If I say you’re a Beat Cop, you can give your investigation results, which I bet will be stuff that we already know.
EBWOP: I’d like to see this issue put to a town vote. Who should reveal first, me or Pleonast, and why?
f you can confirm yourself, then you have nothing to fear if you go first. You’ve really convinced me of your scumminess toDay. To tell you the truth, I think you’re the Boss, and I think you’re manufacturing this “bit of information.” You have no idea what Drain Bead turned up on you because it was a random result. I’m only going to change my mind if you go first, FTR. If this hasn’t been resolved by the end of the weekend, I’m changing my vote to you.