I agree 100%. If you’re town, you have no way of knowing whether the vote for NAF was steered by scum or by dumb townies. If you really do have some info that we don’t, then tell us who the scum is. You look sketchier than sketchy right now. And I have little to no reason to believe that Drain Bead has been recruited at this time. It would be suicidal for her to lie and fake us out with Blaster Master, and if she’s a Mafia voting for another Mafia, well, she’s still in a precarious position over the next few days. I don’t know if she’s been getting protection, but if so (don’t speak up either way, Priests), her time is running out and she’ll soon be open for recruitment. In other words, we will probably kill her soon anyway. She’s not going to buy herself much time. If she were really scum, then the smart thing to do would be to keep giving us unhelpful but true readings, like “xxx is vanilla Town,” and then recruiting xxx the next Night. She would NOT be sticking her neck on the line like this.
I agree 100%. If you’re town, you have no way of knowing whether the vote for NAF was steered by scum or by dumb townies. Pleonast–If you really do have some info that we don’t, then tell us who the scum is. You look sketchier than sketchy right now. And I have little to no reason to believe that Drain Bead has been recruited at this time. It would be suicidal for her to lie and fake us out with Blaster Master, and if she’s a Mafia voting for another Mafia, well, she’s still in a precarious position over the next few days. I don’t know if she’s been getting protection, but if so (don’t speak up either way, Priests), her time is running out and she’ll soon be open for recruitment. In other words, we will probably kill her soon anyway. She’s not going to buy herself much time. If she were really scum, then the smart thing to do would be to keep giving us unhelpful but true readings, like “xxx is vanilla Town,” and then recruiting xxx the next Night. She would NOT be sticking her neck on the line like this.
Sorry for being so quiet toDay…damn batman mafia game. Right now, I feel if you have an issue with the pleo / drain issue, vote for one or the other; I’m sticking with darth until i hear something from darth about why this should not be the case.
OK, that was stupid. I thought I had time to correct my mistake and then I corrected it wrongly. I just want to clarify that the “you” in the second sentence is Pleonast, not hawkeyeop.
Well, if you’re town, you have no way of knowing anything for certain anyway. I’m fairly convinced that somewhere on the NAF vote bandwagon there is a scum hiding. You have to make some kind of assumption when you’re hunting down scum, barring any concrete information from a trusted source. Which we don’t have at the moment, obviously.
God-damn this is stupid.
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Both drain and pleo, HIT POST YOUR RESULT/CLAIM AS SOON AS YOU READ THIS MESSAGE. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT $200. (I doubt they’ll listen to me, but it’s worth a shot, right?)
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Blaster Master, if you’re claiming a power role (and from what you’re implying, it’s a recruitable power), you might as well full claim.
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Someone please explain to me the reasoning that Darth Sensitive is the Boss, again?
I agree with you 100% on both parts (except with a “please” on the first part bc I’m just too polite sometimes). This whole “who’s gonna go first” thing is obnoxious. It doesn’t fucking matter.
Scenario A: Drain Bead goes first. Then Pleonast goes. Pleo says he’s confirmable, so if he’s not, we can all just vote for him. No problem.
Scenario B: Pleo goes first. Then Drain Bead goes. She either confirms or denies. If she denies, Pleo just breaks out his own confirmation that he claims to have. If she confirms, we know that either he is town or they are both scum. We react accordingly. No problem.
Hmm. I thought it didn’t matter, but in explaining how scenario B was the same as scenario A, I realized that scenario A is actually the best, in which Drain Bead reveals first. While scenario B is acceptable, I think it really does make more sense for Drain Bead to go first. Ma’am, if you would please oblige us?
I’d like to see more discussion of this issue (and more people saying something other than I don’t care, or asking both me and Pleonast to post at the same time at a time when I wasn’t home) before I decide. Once it’s out, it’s out–I’m not going to be basing my decision on one person’s input (not counting Pleonast, of course) in either direction. So please, everyone just make a simple vote, with reasoning if you can. If things go badly, we can then look back and see who was responsible for it. I’ll go by the will of the town, as should Pleonast.
You want to see more discussion on the issue? You want us to waste more time on this? You want us to stop looking for the Boss whilst we discuss the merits of a particular reveal order for you and Pleo? WHY? This is very suspicious to me.
Drainbead, I want you to reveal whatever it is you know. You brought it up. You opened Pandora’s box. Spill it and let’s move on.
Because while everyone else is looking for the boss, it’s conceivable that I’ve found him.
Then ought we not to know why in good time to dissect the revelations and vote accordingly?
In any case, you’ve made a rod for your own back, as it were. You’ve promised to reveal your knowledge Today. Pleo knows that, and knows all he has to do is sit and wait.
Whether Pleo is town, in which case his assessment that it’s better for the town for you to reveal first is honest (even if it’s in error it’s an honest error) and he’s going to abide by it, or he’s a Mafiate in which case his actions will be dictated by what he thinks is good for the scum, he knows that you will crack first, because you’ve already set a deadline and he has not.
The only way for you to win this battle is to persuade Pleo that it’s better for him to go first. If you can’t do that, then bite the bullet.
If you thought you might of found the boss, why didn’t you reveal it when you first investigated Pleo?
The argument goes something like this.[ul][li]Drainbead has been recruited.[/li][li]Drainbead came straight out Today and claimed to have found a scum, and urged us all to vote for him.[/li][li]The reason for this is that Yesterday we came really close to lynching the Boss, and thus capping the Mafia’s threat.[/li][li]The person who was nearly lynched Yesterday was Darth Sensitive (9 votes to NAF’s 10). Therefore Darth Sensitive is the most likely candidate for Boss.[/li][li]Therefore we should vote for Darth Sensitive Today.[/ul]My vote is not on Darth because I’m not convinced of it.[/li]
I could be persuaded to vote for Darth instead of BlaM by some better proof than that, which presupposes Drainbead is scum. (If Drainbead is still town, the whole thing collapses.)
Unless someone can show who the Boss is, my vote remains on BlaM. This is for the following reasons.[ol][li]If Drainbead is Town, then she is surely telling the truth.[/li][li]If Drainbead is scum and BlaM is town, then this is a truly desperate gambit because it’s so easy to disprove by lynching BlaM Today. If we find BlaM is Town, then the Boss is quite likely either Darth Sensitive or Millit the Frail - Millit because BlaM has been on her case for days.[/li][*]If Drainbead and BlaM are both scum then this is a scheme to decoy attention from someone, and Darth is the most likely someone.[/ol]That’s why I want to lynch BlaM Today - to test Drainbead’s veracity and eliminate the one scenario we can. Lynching Tomorrow will be too late because that would open up the possibility of recruiting BlaM Tonight.
Pleonast has already promised that he has a piece of confirming information. As far as I’m concerned, his neck is already on the block. Let me reiterate for the 978th time - if the extra information he supposedly has isn’t convincing, WE’LL LYNCH HIM.
I want to lynch both of you on principle at this point.
The argument that Darth is the Boss does not rest on the assumption that Drain is scum, by the way. Argh. I keep gettin sidetracked - I’ll post more later.
Because I saw a good argument that my investigation could potentially be correct, and I did not want to out Pleonast if it was.
To keep this from going on and on forever just because this is the song that never ends, it just goes on and on, my friends, I’ll go ahead and spill, even though I think it’s the wrong decision.
I got a return that Pleonast is the Bishop.
I could see why this could be true, especially after Hal came out the way he did–it made sense that Pleonast would use his prayer up early, for fear he’d get nightkilled early as well.
I breadcrumbed this in a post far enough back that I don’t want to go looking for it right now (gotta leave for a dog grooming appointment) by saying that I wasn’t sure that Pleonast was just a humble priest. I said that because he was voting for me, and I thought that he might unvote me if he saw that, because he would know that I knew who he was and surmise my role. Sadly, he did not, either because he didn’t get it, or because he was scum.
My fear now, of course, is that scum DID get it, and he’s been recruited. Of that he never was a Bishop and he’s been the Boss all along.
Blaster Master (9): Drain Bead*, (Koldanar), Hockey Monkey, (OneCentStamp), bufftabby, sinjin, Hal Briston, (HazelNutCoffee), dotchan II, Millit the Frail, USCDiver, MHaye
Darth Sensitive (5): (Pleonast), Santo Rugger, HazelNutCoffee, OneCentStamp, Koldanar, Pleonast
Pleonast (2): Menocchio, Darth Sensitive
Millit the Frail (1): Blaster Master
Menocchio (1): ( Pleonast)
Drain Bead (0): (Drain Bead)
No vote yet:
Hawkeyeop
Hotflungwok
The day ends on Tuesday, March 25 at 11am CST.
Dang it, Drain, you’re saying BlaM is the Boss, based on a 5% chance. You’re saying Pleo is the boss, based on a 5% chance… am I getting confused again?
I believe you might have mixed up Mennochio and Pleonast.
Mennochio’s vote is still on Pleo, as far as I can tell; Pleo unvoted Mennocho and voted Darth Sensitive in 1669.
Yes, thank you.
My confirmation is a breadcrumb, from Day Two. Post 307: “This is the Towniest tell I’ve seen in a long time. Nothing conclusive, of course, but I’ll put a little faith in Hal, for now.”
I did that so Hal would know who ordained him (as I did on Night One), and to give him something to point if I was killed.
fluiddruid, my vote should be on Darth.
Well that was anti-climactic. I demand the time back that I put into coming up with scenarios for what if Drain says this, then Pleo says that, then Drain says whatever… :smack: .