Let’s see. I knew Pleonast’s role was different than what he said. He had breadcrumbed it before I told him what it was, so that gave me confirmation that at least he was not the Boss. I trust him up to the extent that I know he’s not the Boss, and I’m pretty sure that he wouldn’t have been recruited until now, because the scum thought he was a priest. So why shouldn’t I trust him now?
Your arguments toDay against me have been completely nonsensical. I understand not trusting the fact that I have yet to be recruited since my claim, but at least base it somewhere in logic. We don’t even know how many scum we have in play at this point–they could have been losing the WIFOM game with our claimed protective roles, not that any of them would know that. You’re basing an argument on strange behavior and one of the facts you supply to point in that direction is my saying that I wasn’t recruited? I say that every morning since I claimed (all two of them), and I don’t find that behavior strange OR scummy. Nor is the about face strange or scummy, since it stems from something distinctly observable. So the only thing you can really base your argument on is the fact that I’ve been a prime target for recruitment since my claim, and a decent target on the Night I subbed in. I’ve already pointed out how risky and stupid of a gambit it would have been for me to claim Detective on my own as scum if I wasn’t one, and clearly we’ve had no counterclaim, so the only thing your argument is really based on is that I might have been recruited as the Detective on the Night I subbed in. Which is theoretically possible, but hopefully the unveiling of BlaM in two days will help assuage that fear. Clearly every Morning I wake, I will have to deal with earning trust all over again. Hopefully my investigations will continue to pan out.
You knew he wasn’t the priest as soon as he claimed. You made no comment then. Suddenly two days later you are concerned he might be the boss? Yes, that is an odd play. Incidentally, I thought it was pretty obvious he was the bishop, so I would not be surprised if he was recruited.
The fact that you needed to claim you weren’t recruited I found strange. It is a worthless statement, since we have no evidence one way or the other. Clearly if you are recruited you won’t say I was recruited last night. The only thing it accomplishes is to make you sound townie. Also, Blaster being recruited would not prove you weren’t recruited already, or that you won’t be recruited in the future.
Well, I’m not the most astute player here, but based on your bread-crumbing I pretty much surmised that you investigated Pleo and he didn’t turn up a Priest. So I assumed he investigated as the Bishop, a beat-cop, or the Police Chief. And if I could figure that out, so could the mafia. I’m thinking that would have made him a prime recruit.
No, I investigated him the Night after his claim, my first Night in the game. I did not know he was not a priest as soon as he claimed–I wasn’t even in the ]game then.
FOS Hawkeyeop for not paying attention to the timeline. Skimming is a scumtell. Not to mention the useless list and the faulty logic.
Wait, people are BUYING This? This information doesn’t confirm you at all. If she’d said you were a beat cop or Police Chief, you could just as easily have said that was you bread crumbing that you got a townie return on him which would have obviously been true since he was ordained.
If people are this easily convinced by spurious logic, we’re doomed.
NETA: Considering the Drain Bead is scum, it’s difficult to say if Pleonast was just being hard-headed with this information, or if this is part of some ellaborate scheme to try to give her more credibility. Either way, considering that Pleonast specifically stated we should lynch him if his “confirmation” isn’t satisfactory, and it’s patently lacking in any supporting logic; further, considering people would rather vote for me than examine Darth Sensitive or Millit the Frail, for whom I think the scummy Drain Bead is covering, I’ll put my vote where Pleonast’s mouth is. How the hell was THAT suppose to be any sort of confirmation AT ALL? I think their little circle jerk of “you go first” “no, you go first” was yet ANOTHER clever way to draw MORE attention away from the Boss candidates, and get Drain Bead enough credibility to make sure I go first, all the while, it still leaves us with no way of firmly connecting Pleonast to scum.
You see, now, you “confirm” Drain Bead by lynching me, but it doesn’t give ANY confirmation on Pleonast because SHE went first and his information is all post hoc reasoning.
God, I just hope you people start looking at the logic at your feet once my blood is on your hands, and stop letting the scum jerk you around. So… for what it’s worth…
Oh, I said things, just not to the whole town. In one post I tried to argue that the Bishop should claim, which was a direct call-out to Pleonast. Basically, I was trying to get him to do it so that I then didn’t have to. I was walking a fine line between outing a liar and outing a power role who I could see then had a perfectly good reason to lie. I wanted to wait as long as I could so that hopefully the scum used the Capo on someone else before I brought this up, so if my results were correct my outing him would cause the town as few problems as possible.
I see that we are not going to agree on this issue, so I’m just going to start ignoring you like I do BlaM, as someone who is intentionally trying to sow discord. Why do I think this about you? Because you have said multiple times that you want to find the Boss, and have used my reluctance to find the Boss toDay through lynching to be a scum tell. Yet you seem to be focusing most of your arguments toDay against me, when clearly the odds of me being the Boss are very slim indeed. If you care so much about finding the Boss, to the point of accusing others of being scummy for focusing on a known scum instead of the Boss, why are you spending the vast majority of your Day arguing with me? It’s a distraction from what you’ve stated is your ultimate goal. It’s mine, too, but I’ve also stated I’m very happy to take a one-Day detour from that. You have not.
Look, I don’t buy it, you don’t THINK he was planning to claim priest? If you were scum in that situation, wouldn’t you claim priest? If he’d ACTUALLY been priest and someone wanted a breadcrumb, he easily could have said he’d just prayed with him that Night too.
Besides, even if he IS telling the truth, if I can intuit that he’s probably lying between his and Drain Bead’s obnoxious behavior on that Day, and we assume that the scum are at least as smart together as any one of us is, then it’s reasonable to conclude they knew he wasn’t a priest too and, regardless of whether he was the Bishop, Police Chief, Beat Cop, or whatever, he would have made an excellent Capo candidate.
You all keep forgetting that, even if he WAS trustable on that Day, which he very well may have been, do you REALLY believe the scum didn’t notice that? How does a breadcrumb like that exonerate him with several recruitment opportunities intervening? AT BEST, it means he WAS the Bishop a few Days ago, but it goes no where to prove his identity Today.
So if Pleo is lying, who is the bishop? Are you claiming that you are the bishop? In fact, I don’t think we have any other roles that require hiding, so I think a role claim would be in order.
I’m actually kind of hoping you’d ignore me, because your arguments are illogical and nonsensical. People are swayed entirely by a claim you made TWO Days ago. I put my vote where I think the Boss is, I even put forth an argument for why I think it’s either Darth Sensitive or Millit. Instead, people are busy ignoring my logic and assuming everything I say is a lie. Because OBVIOUSLY, scum ALWAYS use bad logic, right? :smack:
You’ve spent the Day arguing with me, and arguing with Pleonast, but have done NOTHING to find the Boss, to further logic in that direction or what not. I don’t think you’re the Boss, which is the ONLY reason my vote isn’t on you. But when people look back and see your behavior in the context of my death, they’ll know you’re scum, and they’ll waste ANOTHER Day lynching you instead of looking at legitimate Boss candidates.
So what changed from day 3 to day 4 that caused you to call out Pleo? Also what made you investigate Koldanar day 4?
I’m not a vig, so i can’t lynch people on my own. People seem convinced that you are being truthful, and are ready to lynch Blaster Master. So, in order to lynch the boss, I need to convince the rest of the town you aren’t reliable. It matters not if I find the boss on my own, since I need others to vote with me. Otherwise, even if I’m right, I’ll just get recruited. I did start a case against Buffy and plan on elaborating on it today. If you or anyone else wants to look for the boss, that would be nice as well. Pleo, Blaster, and you are drowning out the rest of the town, and everyone else gets to fly under the radar.
No, I’m not the Bishop, but because I’ve been forced through the Day to eliminate the possibilities of my role being a partially or wholely non-recruitable, I might as well role-claim now since I then become a recruitment candidate if I somehow survive the Day and even if I’m confirmed through Drain Bead’s death. It’s also getting near the end of the Day, so I suppose it’s also helpful to have some time to digest it.
I’m a Beat Cop. My investigations have been as follows:
1: Koldanar Town
2: Sinjin Failure
3: HazelNutCoffee Failure
4: HazelNutCoffee Town
I’m happy to provide my reasoning for them as well, since it’s likely not obvious, but that depends on a ruling from our illustrious mod:
Am I allowed to quote the PMs I sent you and/or your responses or do I need to paraphrase?
If she says I can, I’ll copy and paste my PMs; if she says I can’t, I’ll paraphrase the logic behind my choices.
If you think that Darth and I are both prime Boss candidates, why haven’t you investigated us? I call BS. I even said that someone should investigate me yesterday. I was being overreactive, but hey–I was for real. I want to know the logic behind your choices, because you’re talking a big game like you’re really intent on finding the Boss, and then you haven’t investigated us who are your prime suspects. What gives? Are you…lying?
And of course you’re not allowed to post the PMs–no one gets to show that kind of role confirmation. Hey, fluid, if he gets to do this, can I post my PM that you sent me that told me my role? Not gonna happen, and you know that.
I can’t believe that Blaster is seriously trying to get us to doubt the Hal crumb. I’ve been at Pleo’s throat this entire game and even I think it’s blatantly obvious in retrospect.
If this is a false breadcrumb, then Pleo would have had to have grabbed both Hal and the *real *bishop. And I doubt he could have done that.
I do wish the “I have a secret” thing was handled differently, but Drain did broadcast that she knew something that it wasn’t necessarily in the town’s best interest to reveal, which is a fair description of Pleo’s deception, so she obviously was on to something.
Pleo said he PUT FAITH IN Hal. I don’t know how a Bishop claim could be more clear. And why didn’t you claim before the weekend, as soon as the charge was levied against you. It could have bypassed a lot of needless bullshit. Unless that’s what you’re hoping for?