Darth Sensitive, why did you make a kill on Night 1 instead of attempting a Recruit?
Because I thought that the town knew nothing, and that I had no read on anyone. I didn’t feel like bouncing off an unrecruitable randomly and thought I could get early pressure on a ‘out of control vig’. I did some math, and figured I was pretty dang unlikely to be chosen non randomly to be investigated, and that I had a miniscule chance of being actually found, what with failure rolls.
I didn’t go quite deep enough into what would happen if I failed a recruitment next. And I probably should have killed NAF, in hindsight.
Perhaps true in general, but in this game setup with a single starting scum who is critically overpowered, the benefits of lynching clean nosers far surpasses the risk. A lone scum will more likely avoid controversy than a band of scum. Also, the recruiting power of the Boss justifies a few casualties (even power-roles) along the way.
I was with HazelNutCoffee all the way!
For the mathematical minded, I wrote a manifesto in the forbidden thread about the imbalance of the game.
See, it is that kind of attitude that keeps me from becoming a better townie player. 
Don’t be so damn smart! 
Hard luck Darth. Pretty much everything that could go wrong, did go wrong.
Maybe next game. 
I regretted getting involved in the Mason discussion in hindsight. Or do you mean I was obvious from the very first?
I see on the scum boards that you were going to kill me just on principle.
FWIW I was also pretty convinced that Hawkeyeop was scum. Either him or MHaye, or both.
Poor unlucky Boss. 
I think Hazel has now proven her prowess at Mafia games.
What the–it’s ended already?
Yowzers.
And now that the game is over, I can officially say that I suspect that this setup is kind of biased towards the Town, even with the power roles being gimped.
And victory feels, I dunno, a little hollow since we basically won via coin-toss. I think Darth would have survived at least a couple more Days had BM ended up being lynched.
Well, FWIW, I’m not sure the game is defacto unbalanced, but because of the unlimited recruitment, a little bit of bad luck can go a long way.
According to the perfect information board, a coin was flipped where I could have been investigated sooner by the detective. If this had happened, I probably wouldn’t have been investigated later, and the whole last Day would have gone completely different.
Or imagine if Hal had been recruited, or if Meno had gone through? Sadly, it’s mathematically difficult to balance a single recruit because, if he can avoid any noticeable changes in gameplay, is pretty much and unlynchable scum up to that point and actually has a history of pro-town motivated action.
OTOH, I think a game like this COULD be managed, but it would require a certain amount of bastard moderating to actively correct the statistical anamolies that would othersise severely imbalance the game.
:: high five with sachertorte ::
This explains my reasoning perfectly. If there is a band of scum, it stands to reason that a few won’t mind getting mixed up in aggressive discussion. However, when there is only ONE scum, it makes far more sense for said scum to hide in the crowd. It’s just too easy. Obviously such a list is going to include a lot of power roles and whatnot, but it’s definitely a starting point.
I preferred to make my list public for the same reasons NAF made his list public - so later I could be held accountable for my opinions. Although in hindsight it would have sucked donkeyballs if I had been recruited somewhere along the way. I think it was Drain that suggested the town should just lynch her after a certain point. I was very, very close to posting toDay that if you (BlaM) were lynched, the Town should not trust me anymore and lynch me immediately after finding the Boss. But then I thought about it, and I realized I would really, really regret that post IF I ever were to be recruited because I’d still want to win regardless of my side. (If I weren’t recruited then my death wouldn’t matter much to me by that point.)
Recruitment does make it difficult to play, in hindsight. It reminds of those PC games where you have a party of characters, and you level them up and make them strong, and then in the end level they turn against you and you have to end up fighting them. And then you regret making them so powerful. :smack: I’m not saying I played this game with the fear of recruitment in mind, but in that last moment that is what prevented me from making that particular post.
Well, FWIW, I didn’t have any smoking gun, it was just a read I had based upon your aggressive style. I have a read I like to think of as being “in cahoots”; it’s seldom something concrete. Unfortunately, this read, particularly early, has a good chance of picking up masons as well, and it was the driving force behind my investigation of sinjin and my standing suspicion of you that was only confirmed to be masonness when I got recruited.
I can’t really explain what you did that drew my attention, so… take it for what it’s worth.
Oooo, interesting…I was to be the first recruit. Thanks for putting a little faith in me, Pleonast! Had you not ordained me then I’d have been recruited, so I’d have kept quiet about the post-Dot-lynch slip. No Darth bandwagon, no revisiting it the next day, and we’d likely still be going strong. You saved us, Pleo!
Oh, here’s something. I explained this to NAF in PMs, but I figured I’d get this out in the open.
I switched my vote to him because Idle investigated hotflungwok as a Beat Cop, and at one point that day hotflungwok basically said “I’m voting NAF and I’m not switching.” I figured for sure he got a hit on scum but didn’t want to out himself because he wasn’t sure if it was the Boss or not. Bah.
Seriously, Hal. Catching that slip was awesome. I rarely even pay attention to posts after the Day is over.
Darth really did have a string of bad luck though. Reminds me of the Cabal in Conspiracy.
Well, dang, I go off and post elsewhere and the game ends.
Good Play all.
I decided that the best way to beat a WIFOM situation was to partially remove myself from the decision making process. I assigned weighted probabilities to Drain (75%) and Myself (25%), and rolled dice. They told be to protect myself, so I did.
I am amused that the spoiler board is saying there are “too many connections to this server” at the moment.
Oops. My investigations went:
Diomedes: town
Diomedes: town
failed
failed
I was tired of all the confusion and just wanted to hang onto something. Even after playing in it, I’m still not up on things.
Yay town!
btw Koldanar, any further comments on why you murdered me in the night? Just curious.
And - as fun as this was, I think I’ve decided that Mafia just isn’t my favorite game. Oh well.