Yes, but I was explaining why I was not voting for gnarlycharlie as I said I would do if the PMs did not match. I was not trying to make an argument one way or another regarding fubbleskag.
OK, looking back I see I said “I am not worried about their PM’s”. I will say that it is not really my main concern now, but I was saying this in regards to what I had said about voting gnarly. I do realize that fubb’s could be fake.
Babale, I quoted this for your benefit. This is the single most scummy post of the entire game so far. I’m not voting for Kelly because I don’t want the pardoner to waste their power (which I am convinced will be used today, no matter who the lynch leader is) on him/her.
Kelly, I will almost certainly be voting for you tomorrow.
On Day 1 Hal talked mostly about strategy and got some heat from Stanislaus for it. I agreed then that it was worthy of some suspicion, but it was the post above that really started pinging me. He is pushing the idea that Inner is scum based on disagreeing with Inner’s assessment of a situation. The thing is, I don’t see how Inner’s view is scummy.
I am not sure how Inner’s view has any effect on the info we get about what powers have been used and what remain. He simply thought that a block or protect likely happened last night. I don’t see how that is encouraging any power role to either speak up or lay low. At this point, it does really seem that Hal is reaching for a vote.
Here, Hal jumps on my idea to have Visor pardon whoever the lynch is toDay and then uses it to justify voting Snickers. While I obviously have no problem with a vote on Snickers, I think it should be supplied with some reason you suspect she is scum. Hal looked like he was reaching for a vote earlier and now seems to be taking this opportunity to make an “easy” (no justification needed) vote.
I am still highly suspicious of Snickers (and I doubt anything but a confirmation of her alignment would relieve the suspicion), but the above is enough for me to switch to Hal.
Unvote Snickers Vote Hal Briston
I haven’t gone back and looked closely at Babale yet, she is next, then fubbleskag, but I don’t know if I can do it all by Day’s end or not.
This can be read two ways. A admission of deliberate lurking, or an expression of exasperation. I’m certain Kelly doesn’t mean the former, regardless of his alignment.
I don’t think Kelly is a good lynch toDay. His “dummy spit” comment irritated me, but that doesn’t make him scum. Kelly is based in Australia, so we are unlikely to get anything more from him before the lynch.
In my head, it’s about 60/40 that fubbleskag is scum. That’s good odds at this stage. Other things I’ve picked up on:
Tonal change. Aggressive early on, now coming across as meek.
Expressed suspicion of mismatched role PMs, but hasn’t followed up on it by voting gnarlycharlie. If his claim is fake, he really doesn’t want to see a gnarly flip. To be fair, he’s not very active toDay for out of game reasons, so I can’t be sure on this point.
Given that I know I’m not scum, it seems I have a pro-town move I can make here - and that’s to add a vote to fubbleskag, whom, unlike me, I don’t know to be town.
I’m not convinced this will work, mostly because I agree with those who feel the plan is built on several assumptions, and you only need one to be wrong and the whole thing goes up in smoke.
The pardoner used their power because they knew the lynched player was Town (assuming that Visor was the Pardoner, which I think he is). Saving an unknown who turns out to be Mafia has a huge downside - the next Day becomes utterly predictable (and also another chance for the Brotherhood to use the Spear.)
I don’t think the Spear will stop the lynch. From the rules: -
Also, Storyteller doesn’t like immediate power resolution.
I like you Maha, I really do, but this seems singularly unhelpful to me. Certainly I, who has played many many games cannot predict very well what observations will be regarded as astute. Many times I’ve posted what I thought were well-thought out and cogent analyses only to find myself lynched. I cannot judge another player for not performing up to a standard that I can’t hold myself to. And Kelly is right. If we castigate people for not talking and the minute they start we string em up, next time (if there is one) they’ll go right back to not talking.
Of the two players, I think I’d rather see Fubbleskag lynched at this juncture. I get a real frustrated townie vibe off Kelly while fubs seems colder and more calculating.
This is the post that started pinging me with Babale. He votes Mosier without even mentioning the claim that he made. He does give a justification for his vote, and while I don’t really agree with it, I don’t mind the vote itself as much as the complete lack of even mentioning Mosier’s claim.
While I disagree that it is just too much WIFOM to consider, the bigger question is why was it not even mentioned when he voted for Mosier?
Backs off the Mosier vote without a real explanation of why he no longer feels Mosier is scum. Jumps on the TexCat wagon with TexCat already in the lead. Uses TexCat’s self-defense vote as a reason (I know opinions differ on this, but I am fine with self-defense votes, but either way I don’t think they indicate scum). He also says the vague “other signs” worry him.
To me, these two posts read like someone going back to cover their tracks after they have made a mistake.
Why does he suspect Alka? Here he casts a second vote without really giving a good reason.
Obviously, I find Babale very suspicious, but I am going to keep my vote on Hal. I just think with Babale being a new player, there is a greater chance that I reading him wrong.
If those vote totals are right, then Kelly is still in the lead. I am fine with that. Of all the players with multiple votes against them currently, the only one that I am really against lynching is Alka. I doubt that all four of Kelly, fubbs, Babale, and Hal are scum, but I think any of them have a decent chance of being scum.
On refresh, it looks as if fubbs has gone into the lead. Like I said, I am fine with any of the four I mentioned above (or Snickers).
I found myself nodding in agreement with most of Suburban Plankton’s [post=15257029]post 536[/post]. I’ve already commented on the Day 2 votes for Snickers elsewhere (see [post=15250800]post 485[/post], and please forgive the borked tags; I thought I’d cleaned them up). That leaves only Hal’s, and I did not like it. Mostly because, as SP [points out (and I verified for myself) Hal talks to or about Snickers in only two posts in the whole game prior to his Day 3 vote in [post=15255039]post 513[/post].
Hal’s motive for that post is a “What a great idea! Let’s force a Townie to use his restored power at a time of our choice.” I’ll repeat what I said earlier; attempting to order a Town power role to perform to orders is useless, firstly because you cannot exercise any oversight of the PM Visor sends to Storyteller, and second because it lets the Mafia meddle with the power use.
On top of that, of course, is the reasonable supposition that Visorslash didn’t actually receive the dose of the restorative, either because Sinjin didn’t pick it or because she decided not to use it on a Pardoner but instead rejuvenated one of the investigators, two of which had claimed by Day 2.
You may be right. Here is the description of the Bloody Spear:
The Bloody Spear: Use of this weapon occurs by Day, and its function is very simple; it is used to attack and kill a target, though certain abilities may keep it from working. Unfortunately, use of the Bloody Spear is an extremely public action, and its user will be seen (and thus identifiable as Scum) by the entire game population.
It doesn’t really say where the spear falls in precedence over other actions, such as pardoning.
I do agree entirely with Stanislaus’ latest post. Please, please, please don’t be voting for someone you think is town and counting on the Pardoner to save them. It’s an interesting gambit and I’d really like to see it in action but I think it’s too loosey-goosey right now.
I’ve already explained my reasoning. You, or whoever else wants to, can hold me accountable for my strategy if the summoner doesn’t use their power today.
No it doesn’t, but I think the rule makes it clear that all Day actions resolve at Dusk, the same time as the lynch.
Besides, when I said Storyteller doesn’t like powers resolving instantly, I really meant that. There’s a game in this group’s history (Last Bastion on idlemafia.com) where Storyteller was killed out in the middle of one Day with little or no warning. He did not like it. He’d never put a role like that in one of his games, simply because he’s been on the receiving end and had his fun ruined.