President George W. Bush was very well educated too, but that didn’t make him very intelligent. You come off as not quite as intelligent as Bush. But you do have excellent self-esteem.
Nope; he’s been a self-contented dumbshit for awhile.
In his defense, in this thread he’s been arguing against Yog Sosoth and Magellan, both of whom are right there in his intellectual weight class; we should leave the three of them to it.
Essentially arguing that white judges have exactly the same understanding of racial discrimination as non-white judges despite a lifetime of different personal experiences.
Here’s a thread where our protagonist supports racial profiling:
Here’s a doozy about how Obama will be a black president rather than a president who happens to be black based on his association’s:
Now I can tell you from having reviewed dozens of magellan01’s posts, he claims on the surface to be against racism. But he seems to be under the mis-impression that racism should be defined extremely narrowly and through the filter that all race should be ignored because it isn’t really a problem anymore except for liberals etc. complaining about it and casting many conservatives as racist.
The reason he is so offensive so often to so many of use is that his definition of racism is so narrow and his remedy to its existence is very limited. He is constantly asking people to define racism in such a way as to apply racism only as a term when it can be forumulated in a race neutral way. That removes the context of the history of racism in the US and its consequences on whole swaths of the population who are left with no problem and no remedy under this view. It ignores six centuries of racism and its lasting damages. “We shall not look at your skin color now, no matter what it may indicate.”
Other than that, and the same problem with other minority groups (Muslims, language speakers, immigrants, gays, etc.) his way of thinking is rather thoughtfully conservative. But his assumption that straight white males are somehow put upon by all this desire for equality and redress of past bigotry and acknowledging that something should be done comes off as, well, bigotry. His consistent defense of the GOP’s underlying bigoted results gets passed off as the letter of the policy is not bigoted, therefore the result cannot be.
All said, he comes off as less bigoted than the very prominent spokespeople for the GOP, who generally mask their bigotry in dog-whistles where it is more disgusting. But still bigoted.
Nope. He is consistent within his own world-view. It’s a bigoted world view, but his defense of bigoted positions is consistent and has integrity. He has a much narrower definition of bigotry (racism) than we do, and I think he is wrong and somewhat disgusting in it. But it has an internal logic that could be called integrity in that it is consistent. The only exception to this is that he is much more sensitive to “bigotry” against whites, but that is probably due to his personal position as a white person and a blind spot. I can’t call that intellectually dishonest, but rather lacking in personal insight.
And magellon01, the above is not a license to try to stop being a better person.
I didn’t say he wasn’t intelligent. I implied it. We all like to think we are really smart people, a lot smarter than we really are. If your name isn’t Albert Einstein and you are a physicist (not an actor going by the screen name Albert Brooks), then you aren’t as smart as you think you are. That goes for all of us.
Me, I’m an idiot. (I like to set my personal bar low.) I think it is fair to say that LS set the bar a tad too high for himself in that post, but I admire his ambition. It’s his opinion on race that I find disturbing in that he shares magellan01’s very narrow definition and blind spot. And claims to be a liberal while doing it.
The thread has transmuted into a Pitting of lance strongarm. I’d like to defend Lance.
I think Lance is trying to point out logic errors and gaps in reasoning. His point may be, in part, that individual Republicans might be racist but the Party as a whole isn’t racist. To most of us this may be a useless semantic distinction, but to Lance it isn’t. One can indeed argue that lumping Republicans together into a “bad” category is exactly the sort of stilted thinking that racists do.
(I’m defending Lance, not necessarily the point he’s making. Regardless of the relative frequencies of racists within the two Parties, it is the GOP that has let racism percolate into the marketing of their agenda.)
I empathise with Lance, and see him as a seeker of truth. I skimmed a few of his posts in the gay marriage thread, and have a similar reaction. He seems intent on playing a sort of “Devil’s advocate” to help others clarify their thinking. (I occasionally try something similar, though on completely different topics, and am disappointed in the results.) I only wish he’d apply his efforts to a few clear self-contained essays, rather than dozens of short unclear posts.
I might feel differently if Lance were arguing directly with me in this thread! (I vaguely recall that Lance might have argued with, and slightly irritated, me in some GD thread.)
Perhaps that’s what he tries to do, but he isn’t very good at it. He’s like a bricker-lite, a bit less annoying and a lot more pleasant, but this professorial tone is a bit weary. Just make your own points and don’t try to nitpick someone else’s arguments to death.
When Bricker socratically condescends to you, it’s because he’s trying to fake-charitably prove a specific thing you said is dumb or wrong. There’s a starting point and at least a theoretical end point where if nobody says anything new the argument’s over. When this guy - who actually named himself strongarm, which think about that - tries to hector you into answering his nonstop stream of perverted inquiry, it’s just because he wants you to answer his questions. He doesn’t even know where you started or where you are now in any broader context because if he can’t gain a foothold to quibble with you over it, that part of the post didn’t happen. The journey to insanity is the destination.
He’s not seeking truth. He’s seeking infinite repetitions of a dialog where he can act like he’s seeking truth and his wrong enemies who seek to wrongly destroy him can give the wrong answers to his questions and he can tell them they’re wrong so hard.
I wouldn’t disagree with that. There’s plenty of racism among Republicans, in the leadership and their supporters. No doubt about that.
You really get me. Thanks.
Most of the time, I take to task people on my side of the political aisle, because I don’t want to see them use bad arguments that the other side will easily crush.
Yes, I do tend to post alot and not take the time to be clear too. Sometimes that works well when the other party understands what I’m doing and can see my point, but sometime people just don’t get it. Sometimes those people overreact and start throwing insults instead of asking me to clarify. That’s rude and lame and stupid.
I like to think that I’m annoying because you know I’m right. Seriously, I know I can sound rude sometimes, but it’s because I type faster than I think.
Thanks for a great post, I appreciate it. I’m glad SOMEBODY gets what I’m saying.