Mail order bride & sour honey

Oh brother…the Russian bride. You know, this has to be one of the most bizarre things…my sympathies go out to your twilight-zone-like experience.

I guess its not such a rare thing…I had an encounter with one of these sorts in my life as well. I adopted my Basenji from a rescue, and turns out later…the guy who ran the place shut down the rescue, went to Russia, and got his own mail order bride after wooing her family in a room full of relatives, haha.
Seriously…this whole thing is twisted if you ask me. It goes back to a middle-ages mentality of marriage as an arrangement or serving purpose that isnt necessarily requiring a “connection” between the couple.

Since the Basenji site used to be helpful and interesting to visit as far as updates…I was shocked when I found this on his site
http://www.siscom.net/~charlied/tripreport/tripreportpage.htm

of course I had referred several people to that resuce, and they each met the moldy fellah (as a matter of fact my friends and I shared many a laugh about his bean burrito stained shirt, oily hair and disgusting home) THIS person actually brought someone home, paid for, to live with him…Russia must be a horrible place to live if this is happiness!

I’m not suggesting that 'mail-order brides" are a healthy phenomenon, but the idea that marriage is an arrangement or serves a purpose other than romantic connection isn’t confined to the middle ages. It is quite prevalent in much of the world even today. I’ve seen it argued that the modern, (primarily) Western, romantic marriage is the aberration.

It can work. I know of several arranged marriages that are quite happy. Bubba and Honey, I have my doubts…

[QUOTE= the idea that marriage is an arrangement or serves a purpose other than romantic connection isn’t confined to the middle ages. It is quite prevalent in much of the world even today. I’ve seen it argued that the modern, (primarily) Western, romantic marriage is the aberration.
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As an anthropology student, I am well aware of the existance of utilitarian marriages within history as well as today.
I guess to avoid commentary on my chosen comparison to the middle ages I should have included all cultures which currently observe this tradition, as well as include the modern-day debates which suggest this is a productive approach to unity.

:wink:

To be fair, it can be argued that we view this Russian bride issue though our own westernized views…however, it can also be argued that this is a practice which statistically shows failure and a degree of abuse…whether it is questionable alterior motives of the bride, or the strange motives of the man who needs to purchase a woman.

Is that so? Because I seem to remember some of the mail order sites bragging about the marriages being more stable and less abusive than average. Do you have some cites?

  • Rune

[QUOTE=dropzone]
Shirley, you BITCH! You LITERALLY nearly got me hospitalized for that!

[QUOTE]

Madeja look. :slight_smile:

What really pissed me off, after I thought about it for a while (and I think EVERYTHING to death) is that I’ve had several of those episodes sitting on the sofa with my wife and she, the medical professional AND mother of an epileptic kid, has NEVER noticed.

So I guess you aren’t the only heartless bitch in my life. :wink:

Update! I demand an update!

Haj

Me too! Me too!

<not really imporant but it reminded me of this tread>

The grumpy guy at the post office was all smiles the other day. Somebody mentioned that a letter took so long to arrive it must have went through China. “China!” he says, “that is where my wife is from!!!”

It turns out he recently went to China and met a very nice young woman who has never seen snow and speaks no English. He wasn’t really ready to marry but they told him it was necessary to do it right away for some legal, or pseudo-legal, reason. He mentioned that he had also been to Russian on “vacation” and met women there, though it did not “work out.”

Anyway, he wants to run a picture of his new wife in the tiny local paper. The man who commented that his letter must have passed through China then asked, “Does she look like one of them little ole’ China girls? They sure are purty.”

The postman kept talking about how young this woman is and how great their age difference is. I had this sinking feeling she was going to turn out to be fourteen years old, though it turns out she is in her early 20s and he is in his 40s.

Oh, and I have met one of the translators from Bubba’s vactation pictures! She was translating for a group of Russian professionals that I hosted a few years ago.

</not really important but it reminded me of this thread>

Every month or so, I manage to overcome my slavish fascination with this thread. I convince myself it’s in the past and I can stop obsessing about the amazing and wonderful story of the honey and the mail-order bride and the boat and all of it.

And then someone bumps it and we get an update, and the whole cycle starts over.

So feed the need! What’s the latest? Don’t keep us in suspense, man!

I really hope the best for Bubba. To try to make a living off bees sounds like a challenging task; he must have some degree of self-motivation to want to seek out wealth independently and not work for someone else.

Though it bothers me the level of dishonesty that is inherent in this situation. Personally I don’t think the ends justify the means by pretending to like someone for 2 years or whatever just to up your standard of living. To me, that borders on prostitution.

John Carter, I might be more sympathetic than anyone else for Bubba, but I do wish that he’d listen more to what other people say. I mean, you don’t hate him enough that you’d LIKE to see him be hurt, right? Because he seems like kind of a naive guy who is afraid to admit it.

Update-Update-Update, on the thread that will not die……

Never to be Queen: It’s cool that you met one of the interpreters. Small world!

Poetgrrl: I don’t hate, or even dislike Bubba. If I did I’d never have loaned him money to begin with. I respect his individualism and ability to make a living on his own initiative. Still, he is a difficult person to get along with.

Now for the update:
Eva Luna was correct; the other family members wouldn’t be allowed to come along with Honey. They have to have their own reasons to immigrate to the U.S.

Another problem has developed. Honey has told Bubba that “they” (her government) won’t let her leave the country because of the type of work her father does. What sort of work would this be? Nuclear physics? Rocket science? This sounds fishy to me, but what do I know?

Honey has tried to tell Bubba that the deal is off, since she can’t leave there. BUT…Yesterday, Bubba flew back to Kiev. He’s going to: “straighten all this mess out”. This time he’s traveling by himself, without any tour company backing him up and no friends along. He could get into trouble over there, but he wouldn’t listen to anybody. He’s supposed to have a two-week visa.

I really did think that by the time I had something else to report, there would be happy news, or at least no changes. I really see no way that Bubba’s going back over there will have positive results.

In the meantime, I have no idea where he’s getting the money for all this. He usually runs on the edge of having the electricity disconnected for not paying on time. Plus, he’s been sending Honey $100 per month, supposedly for English lessons.

In the future I’ll try to be more prompt with the updates. I swear I think some of you possess ESP about this! This thing rocked along with no changes, and then this week everything happened at once. Then this thread pops back up. Stay tuned!

I agree this all sounds very fishy, and I’ve never known fish and honey to be a good combination. Either Honey honestly got cold feet, or she got a better offer, or she’s scamming him, or a little of each, but I really doubt it has much to do with her father’s job. I think Bubba’s just throwing good money after bad, and I think he’s going to have a really hard time straightening it out with no help, especially with no language skills and no interpreter.

This morning I’m crusin’ and perusin’ down the road and in passing Bubba’s place I note that his truck is back, so I figure that Bubba’s back from Russia.

I get out, knock on the door and there’s no answer so I go to hollerin’. Bubba yells back from out behind his house. I go around there and he’s diggin’ a hole in the back yard.

“Whatcha’ doin’, Bubba?”
He nods toward a pile of dead cats: “Buryin’ my damn cats. Two of ‘em got hit by a log truck last night.”

I walk over and toe the dead animals. Two are stiff and cold, but the third one’s body is still limber. There are small, bright drops of blood on the limber cat’s white fur. “So two of ‘em got hit. What happened to the other one?”
He says: “I shot the sum-bitch. I figured he’d just be lonely without the other two.”
I ask: “Shotgun?”
“Yep, that .410 yonder” he says, jerking his head towards a shotgun that’s leaning against a small tree trunk.

I ask: “What happened in Russia?”
He hands the shovel to me: “Dig awhile and I’ll tell ya’.”

Bubba went to Kiev and employed a male interpreter. The interpreter called Honey and she told Bubba through the interpreter that it would “not be convenient” for Bubba to come to see her. This really pissed Bubba off. “Not Convenient” after he’d traveled from the U.S. to Russia to see her!
Not deterred, Bubba paid the interpreter to accompany him on the six to seven hour bus trip to Honey’s home. When they got there, Honey’s father met them at the door and said they weren’t welcome, they should go back to Kiev.
Bubba was going to stay there and force the issue, but the interpreter told him that her father would call the police if they didn’t leave. The interpreter took this seriously and said he was leaving, period. He wanted no involvement with rural law enforcement people.

So they went back to Kiev. Bubba hung around there until two weeks passed and his visa played out. He spent this time alternately trying to contact Honey again and attempting to meet more girls.
He wasn’t able to contact Honey. He met several other girls, but none that he considered prospects, so he came back home.

Meanwhile, back in his yard the hole is about deep enough, and I’m tired of digging anyway. I hand the shovel back to him.

I ask: “What ya’ gonna’ do now, Bubba?”
“What ya’ mean, what am I gonna’ do now? Look around. Spring is openin’ up, the fruit trees are startin’ to bloom, and the bees have started workin’. I’m way behind. I’ve got lots to do to get ready for the honey season.”

I ask: “You goin’ back to Russia to try it again?”
“Nope. I’m never goin’ back.”

At this point, I take a calculated risk and ask: “How much money did you drop on this Russia deal anyway?”

Bubba loses it: “It’s none of your goddam business what I do with my money! I paid you back what I borrowed from you and that’s all you need to know. Besides, I can tell you don’t like it that I shot that cat. It’s my goddam cat, and my goddam land, and I’ll shoot any goddam thing I want to shoot.”

So I walk back to my truck and leave the lonely, bitter man to finish burying his cats. The best I can estimate, he spent somewhere between 9 and 12 thousand dollars on this mail order bride deal, with nothing to show for it but a stack of photographs.

I hope that his bees work hard this year and honey prices stay high. He’s due all the good luck he can get.

That’s the end of this misadventure. (I think.)

Holy Cow.

A bit of linguistic insight: I suspect the word which Honey’s uncle was using for “inconvenient” was neudobno. The same word also means “uncomfortable” or “awkward.”

My guess is that Honey’s either a) met someone else locally, or b) gotten a better offer internationally. Either way, sounds like Bubba’s just thrown a very large chunk of change down the toilet. Sucks to be him, but well, he should have expected this was a possibility. Honey’s just played him, either way.

I don’t think this is the end, actually. The end for Bubba and Honey, yes. But I don’t think Bubba is done trying to get himself a bride. I think he’ll end up trying to get a girl from Asia next.

What do I get if I’m right? :smiley:

Woo!

I’m sure Honey just came to her senses, is all. And your account, JCOM, of Bubba killin’ his critters when he feels like it make me all the happier that Honey is staying in Russia.

I still feel sorry for Bubba, though.

Looks like he took his frustration out on the wrong pussy.

Haj

There’s a country and western song in here somewhere.

Something like “You Were My Russian Honeybee, And Then I Got Stung”.

“You Broke My Heart, So I Shot the Cat”.

“The Great Gates of Kiev Slammed Shut on My Heart”.

“How Much is That Russki in the Window”.

“Got Them Low-down, Mossy-toothed, Interpreter Done Lied to Me, My Soviet Sweetie Defected, Lost All My Honey Money, Ain’t Never Getting A New Pick-up or Laid Again, Blues.”

Regards,
Shodan

I feel really queazy about him shooting that cat. I know he’s probably very upset, but still—that’s appalling.