Which is really bad news for that side.
Regards,
Shodan
Thanks for Bigtsplaining.
That made me LOL.
Fucking hell, BigT, no one is misunderstanding your suggestion. People are just telling you it’s a stupid suggestion. It’s not the proportion of male-centered commentary, it’s the volume. And your suggestion does fuck-all to address it, with the added benefit of putting it all on the women so you can sit there and revel in another instance where mighty BigT saved the day for the poor undertrodden, without actually doing shit.
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It squicked you (or continues to squick you out but to a lesser degree) that women talk about men as attractive? Just …being attractive, or like, more explicit stuff?
Men, is this common? I say " That guy is attractive" and it squicks you out?
Not me. I’m mildly homophobic (cultural influence; look at my location), but not so much so that the mere idea that people could consider males attractive repels me. I won’t feel attracted to the allegedly attractive males myself (because I’m straight), but the idea that they are doesn’t bother me. Why would it?
His comment that it bothered him struck me as odd too.
Right. Anita Sarkeesian won Gamergate. Oh, wait…
- It is a solution. It is not the ONLY solution or even, among the women posting, the favored solution.
- The problem is NOT “too many threads about women” but rather “too many threads discussing women in a manner many women find objectionable”
- Simply making threads comparable to the threads mentioned but gender-flipped is NOT the solution many women posting here are looking for. Frankly, I find such threads uninteresting regardless of the gender(s) of the people being compared. See point #1.
Please review the above three points again.
I, for one, disagree with that statement.
For some of the contributors yes, that is very clearly what they are about. If you consider other factors like personality and conduct that’s great - but clearly you are not all men and you do not represent the “hurr-hurr-TITTIES!!!” crowd.
Then other men need to double down on them - what was it you said about needing to keep trying and about how if you don’t try you will fail 100% of the time? Why does that not apply to telling objectifying jerks that they’re being objectifying jerks?
I, for one, am not convinced of that.
And that is relevant… how? If it’s just as objectionable to treat men in that manner how does “but-but these women over here do it, too!” in any way justify what the men are doing. Again, that is a sub-set of women, and some other women find objectifying men in that manner distasteful, and some men do not like being discussed in that manner. Creating MORE such threads and discussions is not going to fix the problem.
“Sex-positive” does not mean everything has to be about sex. It doesn’t require other people to be treated as objects rather than people.
Good on you for that.
Now, consider that how you felt - “squicked out” by women talking about men as attractive - is EXACTLY how many women feel about the “Woman A vs Woman B” threads, or threads about what happens when a HAWT WOMMAN is hired at the workplace, or a thread asking if women brag about their genitals, or if they can use their vagina to smoke, and so forth. They are squicked out. Do you think that a thread about asking if men can use their penis to smoke is going to be any less “squicky”? Just gender-flipping that one is not going to fix the problem.
NOW do you have some understanding of why some (some, not all) women are objecting to certain threads around here?
Potatoes make you afraid of the gays?
My rednecked ( but lovable) Mr.Wrekker had to go to a week long training workshop on sexual harassment and abuse in his workplace. He then had to teach this course at the plant he worked at. I never saw a man squirm so much with the concept of teaching it to a co-ed group. He finally got proficient and became the person who went to many plants to teach this course.
I am telling this because, I want any man on this board who thinks they cannot changed and understand this dynamic, if he can change anyone can. He was raised by the most bigoted and sexist man, ever. Mr.Wrekker was/is the most rednecked and manly man I have ever met. You would never believe him to be able to understand this issue by looking at him. There is hope. It doesn’t make you less of a man. And you can teach your sons this.
Now if I could just get him to pick up his socks.
If he’s in the northern half, we’re not talking about potatoes-we’re talking about some areas where the wrong shade of tan can put you in a world of hurt, women are for getting pregnant in high school, and men are for putting them in that condition and openly bragging about it, when they aren’t bragging about beating their kids so that they can become Men too. If there was a gay person in all the years I was in school there I never even had a suspicion.
I can understand that. But “I really couldn’t say anything supportive about gay people for fear of my life” or whatever is different than “Homophobia because of my location”
I think he was just saying that because of his upbringing he may have a little bit more to overcome than some others. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is trying, until shown otherwise.
Fair enough. I can go with that.
It’s admirable that he was able to step back and see what was up, then grow from there.
God, no. BgT got big problems, or at leat he did. I think his self administered penis desensitization therapy has worked wonders.
Some guys might get jealous or simply annoyed if it goes on.
I have a couple of problems with this view of men, but I don’t want to jump on what may only be an unintentional turn of phrase. My problems stem from judging a man based on how he looks – that a (presumably) big burly blue-collar guy* is more manly than a quiet non-burly guy who wears a tie and works at a desk, and that a big burly blue-collar guy should not be expected to have any sensitivity about sexual harassment because of the way he looks.
My other problem is to ask what the hell “manly” means anyway? If you didn’t really mean it (referencing your later remark that “it doesn’t make you less of a man”) then why did you choose that word?
I am truly not attempting any tu quoque “you do it too” zinger here. I could say that it goes both ways, but what I really want to say is that it goes all ways, and we all have learning to do when it comes to choosing neutral words whenever we can.
*I know you didn’t use the words “big burly blue-collar guy” but that is the image I got from your post. Feel free to substitute a more accurate description, it doesn’t change my point.
Are we at a point where one cannot affectionately describe their own spouse in terms that someone, anyone is going to find offensive? :dubious:
My wife calls me farty mcfartface, I’m ok with it. The cat gives me nothing but scorn however.
You should demand that she call you The Grand Gassino. 
Tautology.