It wouldn’t surprise me either way. Shitty people who do shitty things not infrequently have shitty ideas about a whole bunch of other stuff, including race, gender, etc.
What if it was acid glue, throwing Hitler?
ETA: never mind, I see you fixed it in your post
Did you by any remote chance intend to title this thread “Mall of America Assault an Incel Crime?”? i.e., were you asking whether it should be considered an incel crime?
Yes, that’s what I had intended to ask. This thread hasn’t exactly gone where I expected, but I’m okay with that.
Not to remotely co-sign Urbanredneck’s lunatic cite, but wasn’t Charleston the catalyst for all those anti-Confederate flag protests?
People should watch that video. That looked like self defense to me. The man was surrounded by a dozen aggressive youths. Are you saying Emmanuel Deshawn Aranda throwing that 5 year old from three stories is comparable?
Demonstrations, maybe. Not riots.
Of course, since we’re in GD territory, maybe the biggest (certainly the loudest) response to the Columbia shootings was the Charlottesville rally. But I’m pretty sure that’s not the point Jessie Peterson - nor anyone participating in this thread - intended to make.
Of course not. I’m saying that the claim that Americans in general pay more attention to white-on-black crime than to black-on-white crime is absurd. For example, did you ever even hear about this white man shooting this black 8-year-old boy back in 2013?
Cloninger was convicted and is serving a 45-year prison term. Is his name a common household word for senseless interracial violence, the way Aranda’s name is likely to be? No.
The question was asked, what are the people on the right saying and I gave Peterson as an example.
So should the press mention racial angles in a story?
I’m not on the right, but if I were, I’d be highly insulted that you chose Peterson when there are articulate conservative commentators who aren’t bat-shit crazy white supremacists. Do you regularly follow Peterson, or did you Google the incident to look for conservative comments, and Peterson’s was the only one that came up?
As for your question, the answer is: only if race apparently played a role in the crime. The assailant (I refuse to use the names of violent criminals. Too many of them get off on that.) did not say he was hoping to murder a white person; he just said he was hoping to murder an adult. Race didn’t play a role in the commission of the crime, and only someone as loony and disgusting as Peterson would say it did.
Self defense? Aggressive? Are you being serious? He was in a crowd of loud and obnoxious kids and as a result, being a man of 6’5" and 250 pounds, punched a 12 year old girl in the face.
Surprised that you would choose to cite a crazy, hateful nutcase as an “example” of “people on the right”.
What “racial angles”?
Your free to quote someone else. Yes, I just saw his response and being he is black I thought I would link to him.
No, nobody asked that. You brought your dumbass example in here all on your own.
Seriously?
Y’know folks, it’d probably be fine to let it die. We all are unimpressed by the cite and feel it adds a non-representative (and insane) view on the discussion.
Honestly the question about whether this would count as an incel crime seems to be getting buried under our disgust and the cite.
I thought that question had largely been answered. Does anyone still think it might (count as an incel crime)?
It would help if you would tell us what you mean by an “incel crime”. I googled it and it basically says a crime committed by an involuntarily celibate person.
For myself, I would prefer if the motivation for the crime had something do do with his incel status, or motivations based on his incel status or beliefs. A white man shooting a black man because he’s black is a hate crime; a white man shooting a black man because he’s robbing a bank and the guard happens to be black is not.
(Now somebody slap me for dragging race back into the thread.)
Some of his previous arrests were handled through the mental health court, so he could well be mentally ill:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/boy-thrown-from-mall-of-america-balcony-hospitalized/2019/04/13/c97eb532-5e13-11e9-98d4-844088d135f2_story.html