Mama didn't raise no quitter (a thread for smokers)

I’m an unapologetic 17-year smoker, moving from Camel filterless to the economical Basics. Some of you may remember cassettes–you could hide 5 or 6 camel filterless in one of those and take a stack with your early-generation walkman without Mom and Dad finding out.

I like it. I smoke cigarettes, I smoke cigars (my neighbor’s supposed to bring me back a box of realRomeo y Julietas from a cruise this week), and at times smoke a pipe. Tobacco is God’s way of telling us he loves us.

To all the non/ex-smokers, the teetotalers, and the veggies, I’d rather enjoy the life I live than live a joyless life. Drink, smoke, screw, and die younger but happier. Yup, that’s me.

Mostly I dip Copenhagen or chew Black Maria plug (yeah, yeah, I know. Another nasty, freakin’ redneck). ButI love a decent cigar, Corona size. I like the hand-rolled, natural wraper Maduros. They’re too expensive too make a habit of, so I also smoke a pipe. Some times I buy a pack of Bugler cigarette rolling tobacco.

He doesn’t like me smoking in the house He doesn’t want it to smell inthe house. I understand this. But will 2 or 3 smokes really ruin the house.

But in the bathroom? You know, out of all the smells that can come out of a bathroom, a cigarette is not even in the top 10 stinkiest. There are times in my house where a big old stinky cigar would make a welcomed air freshener in the bathroom.

(FYI: I smoked for 26 years. I quit 25 days ago. I feel amazing, and like a whole new person).

It’s interesting to me that so many of you who are so incredibly happy with smoking and enjoy it so, believe that it’s ok, etc. etc. etc. are avoiding those who find your habit repulsive or disturbing.

For myself, when I am completely comfortable with myself and my activities, no one else’s opinion has an impact on me. none. The only time other people’s opinions mean anything to me is if I share them.

i suspect that all of you, given the choice, wouldn’t hesitate to undo what you did by starting. If you could be that child again, no affection, no addiction, no pleasure in it, but knowing everything else you know now…would you still choose to smoke? I think not.
Just an observation and a thought. Carry on.

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PS: No, or nearly no, smoker gets the “urge” to quit. Virtually everyone who is still smoking would like nothing better than to be able to keep smoking. They just realize that the downside is alot farther down than the upside is up, and sanity compels them to quit - quitting ain’t easy. But it feels fantastic.

“A cigarette is the perfect type of a perfect pleasure. It is exquisite, yet leaves one unsatisfied. What more can one want?” - Oscar Wilde

He said it better than I could…

I smoke. I don’t see myself ever beating my addiction. I too love to smoke, but lately I’ve been working out and I would love to have better lung capacity. The cost also bites. Both my husband and myself smoke.It’s getting damn expensive.

There are a few things about quitting that scare me though. I have relatives that quit smoking thirty or more years ago that still crave cigarettes.I can’t imagine ever having a craving for that long that I won’t give in to. Also when I was in the hospital for a week recently, I couldn’t smoke. I was awake for more than 72 hours straight, even though I was on major pain killers. I know it was the nicotine withdrawel. I don’t ever want to go though that again.

There is no pleasure in it, Frey. That is the illusion, the lie. The “pleasure” is the pleasure that comes from relieving a physical craving for a posionous drug that smokers are addicted to…the same “pleasure” experienced by a drunk with the DT’s who takes a drink, or a junkie with shakes who finally gets a fix. That’s all it is - and it’s so much nicer than the craving that smokers get the feeling it’s “pleasure”.

stoid

It seems impossible, doesnt’ it? I never really believed I could, either. If you are really interested in quitting, feel free to contact me, I’ll be glad to help. It turned out to be incredibly easy for me using the method I used.

The method I used also killed all cravings…I was concerned about a lifetime of struggle, too. I don’t have it and I’m not even a month in. I was feeling pretty good and pretty craving-free within a week.

It’s funny you should say you were wide awake… The major “symptom” I experienced was fatigue, for two weeks I could barely stay awake. My body was accustomed to stimulants first thing in the morning and all day long, and when I took them away there was a definite adjustment period.

It’s curious you should speak of being “scared” of quitting… you aren’t scared of dying slowly and painfully of emphysema?! Lung cancer? Heart disease? man, that shit scared me to death…or rather scared me into quitting.

stoid

Tell an alchoholic he doesn’t enjoy his drink. Tell a junkie he doesn’t enjoy his fix.

I respect you for quitting, Stoidela, but I thank you to not subject your opinions upon me. I get extreme pleasure from smoking. Whether you believe it or not.

You know, I probably should have mentioned something about ex-smokers in my OP. Damn me!

Read the OP, please.

Let them have their thread without you coming in here and preaching at them! Did you enjoy this when you smoked? Did it help you want to quit? Or blow smoke in those people’s faces?

I promissed when I quit smoking that I would remain consistant about these things. I still feel the same about smokers rights (and non-smokers rights for that matter), I still hang out with people who smoke. The closest I came to being a dick about it was when my dad asked me about a headache I complained about not going away, and I answered truthfully that I was reasonably sure it was being near his smoke all day.

Hell, I even apologized for saying it! “Nothing personal,” I said.

I can tell you that I enjoyed cigarettes. Quite a bit. I would love one right now in fact. The swirl of the tobacco in the mouth after a meal is the right dessert. The warmth in my hands. The rush a big toke feels after you hold it in for a few seconds and release it quickly for good measure.

I enjoyed them very much, Stoid. Sorry that your addiction as totally psychological, but some of us do enjoy it, did enjoy it, and miss it tremendously.

I am quitting (I still don’t feel like a non-smoker - Just a smoker who hasn’t lit up for a long time) because of my life with Drain Bead and because $150 a month is a lot to pay for anything, whether it’s enjoyable and/or lethal.

So, why are you coming in here screaming cancer? If someone started a thread about Judaism here and a Christian came in screaming how they were all wrong, how would you react? Especially if this was on a board with a ton of threads already affirming Christianity?

Give 'em a break. They smoke. They know the risks. You’re not their fucking mother. Stop acting like you are. When one of them go into a “Non-Smoking” thread and tell everyone to KEEP smoking, then you can do this. It never happened though.

If someone wants to quit, that’s great and I’ll help them any way I can. That’s part of why my meter is there - as encouragement to others.

In fact, since this thread is not about quitting, out of respect for you guys and gals, I shan’t use my meter this time.


Yer pal,
Satan - Commissioner, The Teeming Minions

"I’m a big Genesis fan."-David B. (Amen, brother!)**

The production manager here at my magazine is trying to quit smoking and is having a dreadful time of it. “What does nicotine withdrawal feel like?” I asked her.

“You’re jumpy and nervous and depressed and ill-tempered,” she said.

Well, THAT’S my problem—I’ve been in nicotine withdrawal for the past 43 years!

Nicely put, Satan. I was about to post a similar reply before I read yours - I also quit, but I never get in the face of anyooone who wants to light up, or try to argue about the possibility of breaking the habit. Instead, I enjoy the smell of the cigarrette as I walk by…

Stoid, you really did miss the point of the thread, and you should let those who enjoy smoking discuss the joys of smoking (especially since everyone here has already said they know the risks).

Did I “scream” about cancer? No. I asked a question. The question was 100% sincere, not a disguised dig at all. I lived in a state pf perpetual terror on some level of my consciousness with every drag on the cigarette. So did all my friends who quit, and all my friends who still smoke. I find it absolutely amazing that someone could express fear of the pains of quitting and speak as though the probable result of continuing to smoke didn’t faze them.

Yes, I hijacked a bit, but I was not hysterical or accusatory. I didn’t scream at anyone. Frey asked a question, and as a smoker for 26 years, I felt absolutely qualified to answer it. What I said was true. For me, for my friends, and probably for you - you just don’t realize it. But if someone had asked me a year ago (before I began to realize what was really going on) I might have told them that I enjoyed it.

So you can rag me for not being on the side of the OP, but be fair about it. I did not scream, and I did not preach.

By the way, if you could (and it is certainly possible) wouldn’t you really rather NOT be feeling that way about smoking? Wouldn’t you rather, given that you are no longer smoking, no longer want to? Your current attitude/belief system does not bode well for your continuing as a non-smoker, ya know.

Oh, and to answer your question about

"Did you enjoy this when you smoked? Did it help you want to quit? Or blow smoke in those people’s faces? I promissed when I quit smoking that I would remain consistant about these things. I still feel the same about smokers rights (and non-smokers rights for that matter), I still hang out with people who smoke. "

I am also consistent. The only reason that anyone “preaching” at me ever bothered me was because I knew they were right, as I stated earlier. If I honestly don’t agree with someone, their preaching, bitching, complaining, whatever, doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

And in fact, social disapproval has been a mighty force in stopping people from smoking. In 1950, 75% of the American public smoked. Now 75% do not. That figure is probably even higher in California, where I live, and where smoking is verging on being a crime. We’ve known about the health risks for 40 years, but the massive scale of quitting has been a relatively recent phenomena, since it has become socially uncool to do so.

As for smoker’s rights… it’s been a long time since I felt I had any substantial ones. At least 10 years, which is the last time I tried to quit and experienced life from the other side, and understood how perfectly nauseating cigarette smoke is. ( And this from someone who remembers a world where you could smoke everywhere, even hospitals!) So even when I smoked, I understood that I was completely invading the space of anyone within 20 feet of me. My only right was the right to smoke when I was completely alone or in the company of other smokers.

I also hang out with people who smoke. I love them, I just don’t love their smoke.

And ya know what…I gotta be honest. I can’t bullshit you or anyone else. The OP made me sad, and it made me mad. What a terrible thing to try and get support for the choice to keep smoking, when it is so incredibly harmful. So even though I didn’t preach or scream, I confess that my point was absolutely to try and disarm the idea that smoking is a good thing. I view smoking as an evil addiction that is killing everyone who does it and messing with their mind at the same time. I was offended and disturbed by the OP. But this in my defense: I would have felt exactly the same 6 months ago. And actually, now that I think about it, I’ve ALWAYS felt that way. Before I took it up to be cool at the age of 16, I hassled my mother constantly about it, telling her that her lungs were going to turn black, she was killing herself, etc. But hey, I wanted to be cool.

Okay, I’m done. I sort of apologize for the hijack (I did it deliberately, as I said, but Satan’s disapproval makes me sad so I feel I should. I was a bad girl.) and I invite you to return unmolested to your songs of praise for the smoking life.

In my earlier post, I noted that I don’t smoke in restaurants, or around pregnant women, etc. I don’t do this to avoid those who don’t like my habit, I do it for the same reason I don’t fart at the salad bar or swear in front of kids (well, try not to) – common courtesy and respect.

Smoking is a habit, that when done in public, can be invasive. Those who don’t smoke, IMO, have every right to breathe fresh, clean air, unpolluted by the residues of my habit. I respect that, and choose to limit the intrusions I create. I don’t avoid non-smokers, or even anti-smokers, I simply don’t smoke if the situation or location are inappropriate to do so.

Satan - I’d say “bless you,” but blessing Satan doesn’t seem right. How about “Thanks, well said.”

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Ahem…

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Reread your posts. If you mean you didn’t scream as in you layed off the caps lock button, yes. If you mean you didn’t come in here with an accusing tone, then I disagree. See the above quote as a small example.

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Which is why you smoked for 26 years, huh. I guess only recently this happened to you for the first time which is why you just quit a month ago, right?

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Love the sinner, hate the sin, eh? :rolleyes:

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Trust me - You don’t want me to get the diehards at alt.smokers in here on your ass. It would be sliced and diced like a Ginsu knife went through it.

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Wow. Thanks for the newsflash.

I mean, the OP and other posters here never heard that before. They didn’t even say as much in this very thread. And to be sure, nobody even on this board ever mentioned anything about it.

Even this apology thread shows you don’t get it, Stoid. If someone jumped into a conversation saying how “You need Jesus in your life” you would - and you have, I’m sure - go off on that person for the hijack and for the assumptions being made.

Yes, you have more evidence than a Jesus freak. But that doesn’t mean you aren’t being as annoying.


Yer pal,
Satan - Commissioner, The Teeming Minions

"I’m a big Genesis fan."-David B. (Amen, brother!)**

By the way, Stoidela, you seem to have your work cut out for you on this board.
I can only assume from your comments that you feel it is your duty to point out dangerous/unhealthy behaviors and to attempt to dissuade the perpetrators thereof from partaking in the aforementioned activities (kinda sound like a lawyer, don’t I).
So, you need to hunt down and save everyone on the board who has admitted to - eating red meat, eating fried foods, not eating red meat, having unsafe sex, driving fast, clipping their fingernails too short, lying, cheating, stealing, jumping up and down on their parents’ bed, smoking pot, eating mushrooms, drinking alcohol (and apparently lots of it), getting tattoos … I could go on for quite a while if I were so inclined. Which I ain’t.

Another smoker checking in. I’ve been smoking for almost 10 years and have quit twice already. Both times I quit I was pregnant but I started up about 6 months after my kids births. I don’t smoke in my house or my car because of my children. It’s not good for them and I know this so I just don’t do it. Ok, so occasionally I’ll smoke in the bedroom after sex but that’s about it.

I’m currently trying to quit and have gone from smoking between 1 1/2 - 2 packs a day to less than a pack a day. I’m cutting back a little bit at a time because I know if I go cold turkey I’ll fail and I can’t afford the drugs/patches to help me quit. My goal is to be smoke free by 2001.

All that crap aside… I love smoking! When I quit, (if I can!!) I will miss smoking tremendously! I can’t imagine not having a cigarette in the morning after taking a shower, having one after a meal, after a good cup of coffee, after sex, during lunch, on the drive to and from work, and a million other scenarios. Until I do quit completely I’ll enjoy every single smoke I have and won’t feel a bit guilty about it.

I also want to thank Satan for what he said. As an ex-smoker he knows what we go through trying to quit and he knows about all the little bullshit lectures we get from non-smokers and ex-smokers. He’s also willing to be a support system for those who are trying to quit but will also defend a smoker’s right to smoke and enjoy it. Now that’s pretty cool.

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I smoked for 26 years because I, like everyone who smokes every day (medical fact, no arguing) was physically addicted to nicotine and didn’t have the gumption, courage,strngth, whatever, to deal with it.

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Do you love their smoke, satan? Really?

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Meaning what? They’d call me names and tell me to fuck off? It’s not like they have any solid arguments. But I wouldn’t get into it there anyway. I’m not on a crusade. I just was looking for some info in the smokeout thread and the search turned up this one. I read it and couldn’t contain myself.

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Well, ya know, there’s alot of talk around here about “protecting the children” who visit from the horrors of porn that might be linked to. How about protecting them from the horror of believing that smoking is in any way a good idea, for any reason. They don’t need to hear that. I have no idea hold old Frey is, but his question alarmed me.

My heavens, I hope you don’t think I was under the imparession that these folks would be thrilled with my posts, do you? Lordy, Satan, you oughta know me better than that, I ain’t that dumb. You think your post was news to ME? I opened the thread after posting fully expecting someone to say exactly what you said. It bothered me only because it was YOU. I, like 90% of the women on this board, have great envy for Ms. Bead. :stuck_out_tongue:

And yeah, I think the Jesus Freak analogy is pretty weak. How about we subsitute cigarettes with heroin? But even so… disagreement keeps things lively. If a Jesus freak did that, I’d either ignore them or beat them senseless with my words. Either way it wouldn’t bother me.
And why didn’t you answer my question? Wouldn’t you rather not be wanting to smoke right now?

Well, see, now Jack…you know where assuming gets us, don’t we?
So, you need to hunt down and save everyone on the board who has admitted to - eating red meat**
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Certainly not. It’s the only thing that’s saving my life right now, lowering my blood pressure and making me healthier. (Take it at face value…or ehad on over to Great debates)

Except perhaps for the alcohol, none of the above comes close to the harmfulness of smoking. And I think you’d be hard-pressed to find many posters gleefully jumping into a thread that said: “I knock back 3 sixpacks and a pint of whiskey a day. yeah, my liver’s rotting and I’m dangerous to be around, but I dig it. Let’s celebrate it!” And that’s pretty much how I see this thread. Especially since alcohol might even be beneficial in small amounts (wine, etc.) and smoke brings nothing but harm.

But enough! I said I’d go then Satan and you responded! I’m like Al, I like to have the last word. I’ll go away and leave y’all alone now.

(By the way, this thread had died when I spoke up. Last post before mine was 10 days ago)

stoid