And if you were the Israeli Prime Minister you would do what in response to thousands of rockets?
You think Germany needs to change it’s name?
Why?
I’m not a fan of blood and soil nationalism but lots of countries are founded on it.
Strangely enough many only care when Israel does it.
Racist bullshit.
There are levels of bigotry beneath advocating extermination. Suggesting that all (or most) Palestinian parents don’t care about their children is bigotry. There’s no way the statement “[ethnic group X] parents do not care about their children’s lives”, whatever the ethnic group is, can not be profoundly bigoted. That’s always a bigoted statement.
Also a bigoted statement. Generally, blanket statements about an ethnic group, especially with a negative value judgment like “they don’t care about themselves”, are always bigoted.
This is a foolish question, implying that if I don’t have a full peace plan laid out, I cannot criticize any military action taken by Israel. Of course that’s idiotic. There are plenty of peace plans on the table, and if I were the Israeli Prime Minister, I’d figure out what I could do unilaterally to move the process forward, not insisting “You first!” as both sides keep saying to the other. The Israeli Peace INitiative might be a good place to start, or perhaps the two-state solution.
I’d certainly give the settlers a 30-day ultimatum: in 30 days, their settlements no longer receive any support whatsoever from the government. Settlers’ reasonable moving costs to move into Israel proper will be covered.
But asking me specifically what I’d do, when the best diplomats in the world have failed to find a specific answer, is not a reasonable request.
Lots of Palestinians who do not launch rockets do get bombed. And it is not a war. War is hostility between states. Gaza is definitely not a state. They are territories where “conquered” natives are exiled and kept. It is a ghetto. The most powerful are in charge of the ghetto and terrorize everyone else on both sides of the wall. It is very similar to the ghettos the Nazis confined Jews to before the death camps.
Interesting to see that you think Hamas are modern Nazis. Make your case. Let’s consider it.
Since based on the logic of your posts on this thread(admittedly every single one has been jaw droppingly stupid) people like Elie Weisel are Nazi sympathizers this is an extremely bizarre statement.
Let me ask you two questions.
If someone chooses to go by the nickname “Abu Hitler”, is it fair to compare them to Nazis?
If someone claims Jews are the descendants of apes and pigs is it fair to compare them to Nazis?
It you don’t, please explain. For the record, I don’t, but I actually care about the Palestinians and their cause, you have shown little concern for either.
Hamas is a deeply misunderstood organization. Portrayed by the West as savage and bloodthirsty, nothing could be further from the truth. In reality they want nothing more than to live in peace with Israel once all the Jews are killed.
Hamas is simply taking the peace.:rolleyes:
How many people in Gaza do you think Israel would have killed if there were no rockets sent form Gaza into Israel?
Collective punishment is a crime against humanity.
In what way do Israel’s current actions in Gaza constitute collective punishment?
If an American tank shell fired at a German bunker in World War II went wide and hit a civilian’s house, is that collective punishment as well?
I agree that technically Israel’s actions don’t constitute collective punishment. However, Magiver’s defense of those actions amounts to an appeal for collective punishment.
When Second Stone raises the collective punishment spectre to criticize Israel directly, it’s a mistaken criticism. It’s a perfectly valid criticism of Magiver’s racist arguments.
Agreed, Magiver is way off-base, but the context of The Second Stone’s remark was a reply to magellan01, not Magiver.
They are not free to come and go. It’s a giant prison. When the little boys are baited and then machine gunned when they throw rocks. When hospitals and schools are destroyed. And I don’t see why you put the qualified “current” in there. Are you less than satisfied with all of Israel’s past actions in Gaza?
The comparison of a declared war between two nations is also inappropriate. There is no declared war, and only Israel is a nation.
Because the current operation - the ground invasion in response to rocket attacks - was the context of post which prompted your remark about collective punishment. If you just meant “Collective punishment is a crime against humanity” as a general statement that’s true, and not a commentary on the invasion of Gaza, that was not at all clear.
Can you clarify your positon re: collective punishment?
The Whiskey Rebellion, then. If an American soldier fired his musket at a rebel and accidentally hit a bystander, is that collective punishment of farmers?
:smack: I have been getting those two posters confused for years. My apologies. I think magellan is also appealing to collective punishment, albeit not in an explicitly racist fashion.
I suspect (hope, even) my answer differs from Second Stone’s. What does the American soldier say after this shot? Does he say, as Israel tends to say, that he wishes the shot hadn’t hit a bystander and he was trying real hard not to? If so, and if he’s sincere, that’s not collective punishment (although it still might be unacceptable). Does he say that the bystander wouldn’t have been hit if she’d done a little more to stop Eastern banking interests from crushing farmers, say that if Boston residents weren’t so financially rapacious none of them would get hit by stray bullets? If he says that, it’s collective punishment.
In this thread, or elsewhere? Absent more information, it’s hard to call “How many people in Gaza do you think Israel would have killed if there were no rockets sent form Gaza into Israel?” an appeal to collective punishment, as opposed to placing blame for Gazan civilian deaths with those who fire rockets at Israel, which is a reasonable position.
That’s also a reasonable position. Further, there is evidence that Israel’s military does, indeed, try hard to avoid civilian casualties. Not to the point of refraining from military action in the first place, of course, but that’s true of every military. Working to target only those responsible for the rockets attacks is precisely the opposite of collective punishment, hence my bafflement with The Second Stone’s comment.
yes what the Palestinians teach their children is racist bullshit.
They wouldn’t be in this situation if they didn’t continually attack Israel and they wouldn’t continually attack Israel if they didn’t feel as they do. The Nazis were not the majority of the German population but it took the support of the population to allow them to rise to power.
hamas has vowed to destroy Israel and they have enough political support to to stock and then launch thousands of rockets and dig sophisticated tunnel systems. They are fed a continuous stock of military weapons from other countries. It’s absolutely a war.