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I have refused to accept a specific claim by one person that a specific type of action occurred multiple times without a single other person ever reporting it.
As noted, others have reported it. You don’t accept the claim of Mr. Hedges and never did, and never considered doing so. Your posting makes that really clear. Thousands of Palestinians have died in Gaza during the past decades.
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/1...beach_new_york
Not a similar enough atrocity for you to credit Hedges from DemocracyNow.org.
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JUAN GONZÁLEZ: A five-hour humanitarian truce has just ended in Gaza. The break was requested by the United Nations to allow residents of the Gaza Strip to gather supplies and repair damage following 10 days of attacks by Israel. The death toll in Gaza has reached at least 227, mostly civilians. One Israeli has died since the attack began. There are reports today of a new ceasefire agreement between Israel and Gaza, but details remain unclear.
AMY GOODMAN: On Wednesday, an Israeli gunboat shelled a beach, killing four boys who were playing there. The boys were all between the ages of nine and 11 and from the same extended family. Seven other adults and children were wounded in the strike. The scene was witnessed by a number of international journalists, including France 24 correspondent Gallagher Fenwick.
GALLAGHER FENWICK: We witnessed the incident. The first strike occurred, and we went out onto our balcony. You have to understand that this happened right in front of the hotels on the Gaza beachfront where most of the international media are staying, so there were very many witnesses of this incident. As I mentioned, there was a first very loud strike that hit a structure that is right on the Gaza port. So, many people looking out onto there. And after that first strike happened, we saw four very young children running away from the point of impact on a completely empty beach, so very clearly visible from a distance. And that’s why—that’s when, excuse me, there was a second strike that obviously hit the other children, so leaving four children dead on that beach—a very shocking incident given that, again, these children were clearly simply playing around and were very, very clearly visible from a distance.
Here you disdains amnesty international:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/trigg...ank-2014-02-27
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In all cases examined by Amnesty International, Palestinians killed by Israeli soldiers did not appear to be posing a direct and immediate threat to life. In some, there is evidence that they were victims of wilful killings, which would amount to war crimes.
“The report presents a body of evidence that shows a harrowing pattern of unlawful killings and unwarranted injuries of Palestinian civilians by Israeli forces in the West Bank,” said Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Director at Amnesty International.
“The frequency and persistence of arbitrary and abusive force against peaceful protesters in the West Bank by Israeli soldiers and police officers – and the impunity enjoyed by perpetrators – suggests that it is carried out as a matter of policy.”
Deaths and injuries
Amnesty International has documented the killings of 22 Palestinian civilians in the West Bank last year, at least 14 of which were in the context of protests. Most were young adults under the age of 25. At least four were children.
Here is a video of a young man being murdered as he walks along at about 46 to 50 seconds and another at 1:25 to 1:30 seconds walking in the opposite direction, no weapon in hand http://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/palest…-soldiers.html These two boys were murdered walking along with their hands at their sides. Perhaps you can tell us why they were executed without trial with troops right there. An eyewitness does.
Did Israeli troops deliberately provoke boy, only to shoot him in the back? | The Independent | The Independent
The Independent publishes a news story identical to that of Hedges. You conclude from this that Hedges cannot be credited.
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Samir’s family and other villagers said the IDF regularly uses loudhailers to taunt children at the Budrus Secondary School, which overlooks the area where Samir was killed.
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/...2571EA00536864 UNISPAL
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The six incidents were:
On May 30, around 1 a.m., Israeli artillery fired on paramedics in the northern town of Bait Lahiya as they were collecting casualties. One paramedic was injured. Video footage of this incident recorded the sound and detonation of an incoming shell that wounded the paramedic. The footage did not include any audio or video indication of ongoing fighting between Israeli forces and these or other armed Palestinians.
On July 12, ambulance paramedics came under Israeli gunfire as they collected casualties in al-Qarrara, southern Gaza Strip, in the early afternoon.
On July 19, around 1 a.m. Israeli forces opened fire at the location where a paramedic had just stepped down from an ambulance to collect a casualty in Maghazi Refugee Camp.
In a second incident on the morning of July 19, a drone-fired missile landed close to and gravely wounded a driver who was part of a convoy of three ambulances in Maghazi Refugee Camp that was collecting injured persons from an Israeli strike a short while earlier. The bomb also wounded another paramedic less seriously.
On July 20, shortly after noontime, a shell that was apparently launched from a ship hit an ambulance en route to collect a casualty on the Sea Road south of Gaza City.
In a second incident on July 20, in the evening, a drone-fired missile struck a building near two clearly marked ambulances on the southern edge of Maghazi Refugee Camp, wounding to a driver and paramedic.
Efrati, a company sergeant, posted to his Facebook page on Tuesday, July 29 that Palestinian civilians killed during the Shuja’iyya massacre of July 20 were deliberately targeted in order to “punish” the population for the killing of seven Israeli soldiers serving in the Golani Brigade by sniper fire.
“The official command that was handed down to the soldiers in Shujaiyya was to capture Palestinian homes as outposts,” Efrati wrote. “From these posts, the soldiers drew an imaginary red line, and amongst themselves decided to shoot to death anyone who crosses it. Anyone crossing the line was defined as a threat to their outposts, and was thus deemed a legitimate target.”
Eran Efrati is now, of course, libeled for his revealing this information about the deliberate targeting of civilians for shooting in retaliation.http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-s...lf-abhorrence/ that is really accusing him of being anti-Semitic and self-hating and psychotic. Attacking credibility just as you and others have done to Dr. Meyer and Mr. Hedges in this thread.
This soldier has posted this on his Facebook page (not linked) and was then arrested for doing so. http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/0...zas-shujaiyya/
Here is a talk by Efrati https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hqlmrZKd8 his grandmother was an Auschwitz survivor and he credits her with his speaking out and comparing what he saw with the Nazis.
So everyone else in the world is mistaken, lying, crazy, self-hating and it is okay to shoot four children playing on the beach, to taunt children near the wire and shoot them and otherwise.
You call me mono-maniacal and other names and whatever else comes to your mind. I am honored to earn whatever form of denigration or disrespect that comes from you.
I accuse you of deliberately and intentionally being willfully blind to evidence of genocide. Minimizing reports of crimes against humanity, raising spurious distinctions, smearing the names of witnesses to murders and generally dismissing the unnamed witnesses to murders. Of minimizing the genocide of the Palestinian people. Of being an advocate to ignoring the evidence of genocide.
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