Mandalay Bay (Las Vegas) shooting

I am no psychiatrst, but AIUI, depression does not sound like something that would lead to a meticulously-planned killing spree. Many people with depression described it as something akin to extreme mental lethargy, inability to get up out of bed, seeing little purpose in going on living or even doing anything, low emotional energy.

Someone who goes to the great lengths to carry out a killing spree like Paddock might be angry, psychopathic or homicidal, but certainly not someone lacking mental energy or focus. It takes a lot of will and intent to do that, something a depressed and lethargic person would lack.

Totally agree. Also, imo this is the kind of guy who will leave behind false clues.

Meticulous and detailed planning isn’t a common characteristic of a pyschopath. They tend to act on impulse when angry and any plan that ends with their own death is unlikely. He could have been psychotic though.

Obviously any remorse or sympathy he felt for his victims wasn’t enough to stop him from murdering them but I don’t think he was a psychopath from what little is known about him. But there’s no rule that he can’t be a depressed, psychopathic psychotic. His impulsive risk taking nature could be demonstrated by high stakes gambling and success in the real estate business while at the same time a delusion caused him to reach the decision that he needed to kill himself and as many people as he could take with them.

Really all this analysis is purely academic and somewhat pointless. It’s just tempting to try to assign some reason to such a horrible decision.

It is ridiculous to claim outright that he was sane, quite a bit more so than to claim outright that he was crazy, but as far as what was wrong it could have been for something as simple as he hated country music and had poor impulse control and anger issues all the way to full blown hallucinatory delusions where he believed he was killing minions of satan. And anything in between.

New weirdness comes out about the shooting

^^See, now this pisses me off. All we’ve been hearing this whole time is how great the security team at Mandalay was, and how efficiently the police handled the situation. I’m not ready to take all that away from them just yet (I’ve been impressed with them the whole time myself), but this is…not good.

Some of the conspiracy theories going around shortly after the shooting show a room service receipt dated the 27th as proof he was already checked in by then. Apparently it wasn’t photoshopped after all.

Something has always been off in the ever-changing timeline of events since the story first broke. There are time-stamped police radio transmissions just a couple of minutes after the shooting started identifying the location as the north side of Mandolay Bay toward the west on a middle floor. Unless their clocks are wrong that has to be the moment they started moving to the area no matter what else happened at the hotel.

When a severely depressed person decides to execute the final solution, he / she can feel incredibly energized and focused for an extended period leading up to his / her death / attempt. Been there & seen that.

Huge Lawsuit potential + Quick and Hasty thinking on Mandalay Bay’s part ahead of time.

If there is any conspiracy, either someone got the timing wrong, or someone was worried about their pockets getting emptied by lawyers for not acting quick enough.

Just floating the idea.

No cite, but I saw an interview with one of the directors of that hospital and he was asked that question. He said roughly two out of three of the patients they treated had gunshot wounds and the rest had other injuries sustained in the panic.

Thanks for this information.

The shooter apparently used some number of incendiary rounds in an effort to ignite a very large tank of jet fuel at McCarran. I had heard that he had punctured the tank, but this story only says that he hit it. Jet fuel, IIUC, is kerosene, which is not extremely volatile but would have made big fire if he had got it burning.
I am curious how many rounds he got off. If there were in excess of 350 hits on people, one would have to guess more than a thousand.

According to a lawsuitfiled against Slide Fire Solutions sales were pretty brisk prior to the massacre.

Brain normal says coroner. Motive may never be known.

I just read this story in the New York Times and I wept.
'You’re a Quadriplegic’: A Las Vegas Victim Faces a Hard Reality

:frowning:

Kim Gervais had gone to Las Vegas with two girlfriends. One of them was not physically injured. The other one was killed.

Do we know how many people were shot and wounded as opposed to hospitalized with nongunshot injures?

Haven’t looked lately, but IIRC, shortly after the incident reports said something like “the majority” of the wounded had gunshots. Cynical me suspected a bunch of skinned knees and stampede victims.

Thelma Lou, that is so sad.

and there are survivors being harassed by the assholes that claim this is some kind of made up thing to justify taking their guns. :mad:

Well, we now know this:

21 head shots implies to me this guy was using careful aimed fire, not just spray & pray. Although once the crowd started moving I’m not sure how much aimed fire you can get over 400 yards against running people.

In all, if indeed he sniped a bunch of these people, that’s an even more deranged / depraved mental state than simply blasting away into a vague sea of humanity.

OTOH, because he was positioned above and so using plunging fire, the head shots may just be artifacts of that geometry.

At 400 yards, you have to be a darned competent shooter, and have a way-beyond-average accurate gun to deliberately and repeatedly hit a target the size of a human head. And almost any competent shooter would use a bolt rifle, not an AR-15 with a bump stock, if they wanted to shoot accurately at 400 yards.

In a tightly packed crowd, particularly when seen from a higher vantage point, which part of the people is seen?

It was spray and pray. The headsets were caused by the geometry.

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