I know we haven’t crossed paths very often but I, for one enjoyed debating against you. I’m sorry if I may have seemed excessively antagonistic in some threads as I largely agree with many of your positions but I tend to assume the role of devil’s advocate too easily. It’s refreshing to have you as one of the intellgent voices of dissent in economics debates and I would personally miss it if you stopped bothering.
Much as I disagree with manhattan’s complaint, if anybody wants a clearer example of what whiny bitching might be, I’d check out the post roger thornhill links to in the ATMB thread announcing manhattan’s departure.
Politics aside, it’s a shame if he felt things were so bitter here he couldn’t even be a part of the SDSAB.
This is the farewell post by owlstretchingtime that Marley is referring to, to save people who are interested from the rigmarole of looking it up.
As I reread Owl’s last hoot and reflected on the at times uneasy relationship GorillaMan (early 20s, but neither shrill nor as far as I’m aware overly leftie) has with the US members of the board - not to mention my own experiences - I wonder whether the cultural divide is not a major factor in the feeling of disassociation/disfiliation that some “foreign” posters might feel. I have noted with interest that many Aussie posters, who popped their heads over the parapets around the time of the election to say they were going to vote for Howard, keep a low profile at other times.
It may just be the time difference, which makes real-time debate less possible for those at the other side of the world, but I think part of the reason is the alliance-mentality that is perceived to exist, which can actually manifest itslef in a number of ways, as I have tried to indicate in the past.
That’s how it seems to me too. I’m an Australian of moderately left wing persuasion by local standards which presumably makes me a frothing-mouthed leftie by US ones. With that in mind the board comes accross to me as less right wing then most American dominated boards but by no means as a left wing one. Issues such as gun control, support for Israel, and large scale resistance in the US to the idea of a national health care system really bring on home just how far to the right US politics lie from the global norm.
Yeah, when I first came across “this board is soooo leftie-infested” posts, I was all ready to chuckle thinking they were whooshes. Apparently not. The American version of left-wing tree-hugger-Neil-from-Young-Ones is obviously not the same as the rest-of-world’s version.
Yes, you get to the place where, having been provided with cogent and detailed argument, I acknowledged that my original position and OP had been in error.
Kinda my point, sweetums.
Umm…
gobear left?
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Bricker, are you ever going to point to a time when I should have done so but refused? I’ve asked several times, and all you’ve done in response is to whine. Your perception that I’ve helped you discover your own errors and inconsistencies on more than one occasion is accurate, of course. But have you ever reciprocated? Ever? Bueller? For that matter, any of you other children?
Yes, I did so above. In that same thread, you claimed that textualism was literalism. Since textualism is a well-understood aspect of strict constructionism - and is NOT literalism - I said it wasn’t, and asked you for a cite showing that it was. You refused to provide the cite or retract the statement, despite several requests. When the point was pressed, yuo said you weren’t going to respond to tantrums.
But you were wrong. You didn’t admit it, and when pressed, you dodged instead of answering.
Thanks. I really do think that both sides of the aisle must talk to one another.
[hijack]Frankly, I see the neo-cons as being the more close minded on this(listening and talking).
Take Bolton, for instance–reservations are brought up and given weight and the those reservations are dismissed. “just trust us” seems to be the motto of the neo-cons-“we know what we’re doing. Shut up and get out of our way.”
Um, No. You wanted to drive the bus–okay–but good bus drivers listen to their passengers and try to provide a safe trip for those inside the bus, as well as those we may meet on the journey.[end/hijack]
And I was wrong–it was Martine Hyde whose existence I had forgotten about until I opened another thread this morning.
So, sorry, manhattan for ascribing to you the snarkiness of another poster.
Two bits says he’s back. The guy’s a diva. He’s read every word of this thread, and related threads. (Hi, Manny!)
Your middlin’ size frog, he loves a small pond.
Oh yeah, he’ll be back. No one who has tasted the SDMB can resist the sweet yam-yam, the white lotus, shanghai sally. The first 24 hours are the worst, you should wear a poncho.
Assuming facts not in evidence. You essentially later acknowledged, those terms can mean whatever you want them to mean. If the terms are “well understood”, it’s only by yourself and by your fellow rationalizers.
And I’m still not.
C’mon, this is the best you’ve got? You had to face the fact that you were spouting shit, and you want *me * to apologize for it?
Any of you other children got something? Anything?
beagledave, please add me to the “Leftys who think ElvisL1ves is an asshole” list, please.
People engaging in “(B)ashing Bush at every given opportunity” is called “trolling”, and apologies aside the Moderators should have some remedies for that.
Yes, all conservatives, everywhere, including the ones like me who dislike and distrust Bush and didn’t vote for him in either election. I thought the official word was that only hateful eeeeeeeevil conservatives made hyperbolic generalizations to demonize political opponents…where, oh where have all the flowers gone?
Because working to pollute threads on a single, already heavily-slanted-against-Bush internet message Board is going to change things - right. If you and others like you are at all representative of the anti-Republican sentiment of the nation, Republicans are going to coast into office in 2008. Good luck with all that.
A-1, B-2, C-3,…T-20, U-21…What word rhymes with “U”? Oh–YOU! So that board belongs to you, but I only use it as an example of how the political flavor of a board can cause me to avoid the parts that include discussions that are political or can be politicized. and how I find it especially awkward when I’m friends with the people with whom I would be disagreeing. Nobody wants to think their friends hold the same views as people one considers morons; it reflects poorly on the friends and the person who chose them as friends.
Niether of my friends are morons.
I dunno. Seems almost SENSIBLE and you know how little space we have for the sensible in this polarized (can you be polarized when the poles are as close as the rest of the world sees them?) political atmosphere.
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Repeat after me, “I before E except after C or when sounding like A as in neighbor or weigh.”
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Then you have successfully avoided the topics on which the ARE morons. Everybody is a moron about something.
Or in words that are complete exceptions such as weird. People say English is the hardest language for a non-native speaker to get a handle on. I believe it.