And a Christian*!
Forget about Jeremiah Wright and the “radical, racist,” Trinity United Church of Christ a predominantly black church on the southeast side of Chicago, the largest church affiliated with the United Church of Christ, a predominantly white Christian denomination with roots in Congregationalism, which branched from American Puritanism already?
CMC fnord!
*That’s why Obama is the greatest President this country has ever had … everyone can have a lame-ass reason to hate him!
Religiously inspired violence =/= terrorism.
Violence aimed at forcing political or social change = terrorism. Roeder killed George Tiller in order to prevent him and other doctors from performing abortions. Hasan shot a bunch of Marines without an apparent specific goal beyond shooting a bunch of Marines.
So her reluctance to label Hasan as a terrorist is defensible. It doesn’t mean she thinks he’s any less of a douche than Roeder.
And yet, their ratings indicate that many are decidedly not “embarrassed by that crowd”.
Now, concerning perceptions of Levin, Savage, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity:
Versus your perception of Rachel Maddow:
You do see the vast gulf between these, right?
Thank you for making my point for me.
OK, remove her from the list. She just rubs me the wrong way and, perhaps improperly, I lumped her in with her comrades 
at Air America. Mea culpa
What about the rest of the knuckleheads on the left? Do the people on the left point at them in pride and say, “Wow, I am so glad that Michael Moore is on my side. Olbermann is an impartial, objective journalist. Ed Schultz is such a rational commentator. And that Chris Matthews never makes statements that are over-the-top or would say something extraordinarily embarrassing.” Can you honestly say that their rhetoric over the past 8 years against Bush or their fellating of the current president are any less loony than the way the freaks on the right tongue-bathed Bush’s balls and now say that Obama is the anti-Christ?
Both sides are entrenched in their views, constitutionally incapable of conceiving that the other side might not be as abhorrent as they had been portrayed. If that thought should somehow pierce through their ideologically reinforced craniums I’m sure we’d hear the opening bars of * Also Sprach Zarathustra*.
I watch Fox, then I watch MSNBC. Then I throw up in my mouth a little at the thought of how many people form their political views based on the drivel that spews from the mouths of these microcephalic monkeys.
Let’s continue with this hijack, as I find it infinitely more interesting than the OP. 
No worries. It’s just that referring to Maddow as an example of “lefty lunacy” is a baffling thing to me – and one I see often. At least you can say that you’ve watched the show, if only a few times; I get the sense that many who accuse her of such (e.g., Bush 41) are indulging in lazy ignorance.
You’ll note that I didn’t defend the others. Probably the next most sensible commentator on your list is Olbermann – but let’s face it, there’s good reason he got the sendup from both Ben Affleck on SNL and Jon Stewart on TDS.
Yes, I can; IMHO, you’re veering off into willful ignorance here. Or, at best, an oversized tu quoque. The primary reason being that there were 8 years of actual Bush actions on which to form opinion; there’s been just over 1 year of Obama. And there’s a clear difference to me between, say, being an anti-Iraq War fanatic and believing the sitting President is the fucking anti-Christ.
But then, that’s OK – I have no problem with maintaining a difference of opinion, as it seems more a question of degree than fundamental disagreement.
Maybe you shouldn’t watch either. It seems you’ve bought Fox n’ friends’ marketing line that there is an equivalence between their shenanigans and others. Shame, really. But not as great a shame as anyone taking Mark Levin seriously.
I miss Bob Grant.
Neither eat pork, after all.
Moved from The BBQ Pit to Great Debates.
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Levin is hilarious. I tune in occasionally for laughs. I wish him well in primary-ing all the Rs he can, and McCain is the most delicious target of them all. It is funny that *this *is the thing that **Curtis **finds him wrong about, as if he was making sense right up until he went for McCain. The joke is on you, Curtis. Levin thinks you’re even stupider than I do. It is obvious from 5 minutes of his program that he does not take his audience seriously at all (likewise Rush, Sean etc). And it is fucking golden that he has an ABC news ticker on his website. The liberal media is invading!
And for the hijackers… Maddow does not belong on that list, but the rest could. It is false that “The Left has just as many crazies talking!” As for the knuckleheads on the left that DO exist, you have to look hard to find them. You can get at least 12 solid hours of right wing radio madness every single day in pretty much every corner of America. I live an hour from San Francisco, and I have (had?) no local Air America affiliate. Michael Moore? He has a blog I’m sure, probably not updated often. His exposure is pretty far short of 3-hour blocks of ranting every day. Olbermann has a daily show (60-90 min?) and he makes an effort at being as bombastic as Rush, but he doesn’t hold a candle. Nor does he have the audience. Any TV-lefty-crazy you can find is easily matched at Fox. As far as Curtis’s specific complaint with Levin goes, there is room for comparison to DailyKos. They are also out to primary Ds who aren’t radical enough, and it is pretty much just as bad an idea for the party in question.
I think the size of the audiences for right wing madness vs left wing madness says a lot about what conservatives take seriously.
And Hasan was a terrorist, just not as successful as Roeder.
Obama, of course, would – but only if it’s live and squealing.
The single best analogy I’ve seen was posted by Revenant Threshold in another thread (paraphrased):
Yes, both 2 and 10 and bigger than 1, but that doesn’t mean that 2 equals 10.
Which would be moderate Libertarians/Rockefeller Republicans. My dream party on the other hand would be the opposite-socially conservative and economically moderate (sort of the like the old New Deal Democrats under Truman).
I certainly hope so. A real conservative has needed to ask McCain to step outside for a long time.
I’d take McCain over a “real conservative” any day of the week.
I’d take a parrot, a dead one, over a “real conservative” any day of the week. But I applaud the ultraconservatives’ efforts to destroy the Republican Party from within. Perhaps next time around the Dems will be able to ignore theor own Blue Dogs and pass something meaningful.
So that our nation can become an European social democracy. :rolleyes:
That is an example of Maddow’s good sense, rationality, and responsible journalism. Given the initially available information, the Hasan case had two reasonable explanations (terrorism or garden-variety snap into insanity); the Tiller case had only one (terrorism).
Come back when you figure out the admittedly abstruse and obscure concept of “initially available information”.