http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL According to this Balco gave him 2 undetectable steroids. Balco records show a regime of drugs and many visits. Balco was producing. steroids,masking agents and any other performance drug available. ZThey were a lab that spilled over into sports.
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/26/Sports/Report__BALCO_founder.shtml This story has a list of 27 athletes Balco serviced. Bonds was named as a user by them in court.
Those are outdated stories.
It turns out that the government knew all along that Bonds did not use steroids and did not break the law or baseball rules.
“In fact, nobody in the seven-year BALCO investigation has been charged with possession or trafficking of the drug.”
BALCO scandal - Wikipedia Here is your refutation.
Nope, try again. Here’s the entry on Bonds from this link (as of the time of this post):
Where in that text does it indicate that Bonds was charged with possession or trafficking of the drug?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-07-15-steroids-balco_x.htm Conte went to jail and confessed to distributing steroids and other drugs to athletes. Bonds was one of his clients and he was exposed as a user . If you claim the clear and the other substances are not a steroid ,that is counter to his statements in court. Tell Marian Jones she didn’t get steroids from Balco.
Just stop it. Stop making up crap out of thin air, being called out on it, not admitting it, then going somewhere else entirely. You’re arguing against things that NOBODY has said here. Cut it out.
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Read the whole thread, start to finish.
You start at Statement A, get refuted.
You go to Point B, get refuted.
You go to Point C, get refuted.
You go to Point C, get refuted.
You continue on, hoping to blindly stumble upon one nugget that holds the tiniest bit of water, so you can proudly hold it up and claim that it proves Statement A.
True he never got caught injecting or rubbing any thing into himself in public. Of course that is something most people do in private. And his trainer went to jail to avoid testifying. You think he did that because he had no damning evidence. I suppose he was trying to get a break on paying his apartment rent for a year or so.
Conte,Balco.All the other Balco athletes,have no connection to Bonds. OK
Report: Barry Bonds used more than 'cream,' 'clear' - ESPN ESPN story saying the FEDs have a urine sample proving he took steroids.
Didn’t Bonds admit to using “the cream” and “the clear”? I know he tried to play it off with “but I didn’t know it was steroids”.
The doubt the urine sample will mean much to Bonds backers…
Any athletes I know have a big time knowledge of drugs. They amaze with what they know as laypeople. I have talked with college football players who can talk about drugs for hours and describe how they work in combination. Bonds however apparently used whatever was handed to him. He had no knowledge of Canseco and McGwires’ use and was not compelled to get the limelight back.
His old teammate Estalella is supposed to testify against him. He is supposed to have first hand knowledge of Bonds knowing full well what he took.They really want his trainer , Anderson. to testify against him but that seems unlikely.
Report: Retested Barry Bonds sample yields positive - ESPN Bonds urine samples from 2002-3 are being released . They apparently show steroids usage. Bonds better find a way out fast.
In baseball camps, the players are made extremely aware of the effects and penalties for drugging. I am sure Balco told Bonds they had testing beaten. I do not believe he thought he was rubbing flaxseed oil on him self.
Even counting Giants fans, does anybody believe that? You almost hope not. It’s just too stupid.
He has defenders. I do not know how. If you want an education in drugs ,how they work together and what their effects are, ask an athlete. They are putting it into their body and know damn well what it is.
Yet another great piece of journalistic reporting from Will Carroll:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8470
To everyone who wants McGwire out of the hall. Would it change your opinion of him if it came out he took “steroids” only to come back from injury, and not to bulk up?
Nope.
Just to be safe, I want everyone in 1990s and 2000s to be kept out of HoF unless they were unusually thin, light, agile ballplayers who rarely spent time on the DL and who had perfectly unblemished skin.
I think we’ve heard quite enough about David Eckstein, thank you very much.