Some people sin more than others, should it is only fair they spend longer (perhaps eternity) in Hell, whilst others stay a shorter period of time. Hell is divided upon many levels, the lower you go, the worse is it. 70000 came into it because that’s how long the majority of the people will stay. After that you get to go to Heaven
Czarcasm - It’s also funny how people would deny God’s existence, blame him for everything, curse him publicly, and then expect forgiveness when they find out he is real, and since he created pain, he can inflict it in ways you couldn’t even begin to imagine!
Eternal Salvation is but 10 minutes a day
Eternal Damnation is to do nothing!
I leave the choice to you! But sit back and think about how long eternity really is!
BTW, LurkMeister - I do sympathise with you, but you fail to see the good. I see your wife has managed to live to 68, which I would be very happy to attain. There are many who don’t make it that far! She’s lived in a modern culture with modern conveniences, hasn’t had to do hard labour, has access to modern medicine. She has plenty of food around and is not exactly starving. Need I go on? There are 1000’s who don’t even have that. Think about how lucky you are with what you have already, before cursing God for what you don’t have! There are words for people like you, they are: spoilt, ungrateful and selfish to name a few!
Sit back and be grateful for what you do have, rather than moan about what you don’t! And take it from me, I know because I have experienced what your wife has been through, and know several other people in the same boat! And it’s just made our faith stronger!
It’s curious these days how fundieporn enthusiasts never seem to recall exactly what it is their God, in human form, screamed out from heart’s anguish in the ninth hour.
I ask again; where does this come from? You’re not under the impression the bible says this, are you? Surely your theological basis isn’t The Divine Comedy?
I’m sorry for your difficulties, LurkMeister. ~Positive Vibrations~ coming to you and yours.
Jam Shady, if you are trolling, you picked a very tasteless way to do it. This thread is not the appropriate venue. If you are not trolling, you have my sympathy.
If it helps (and it won’t), I spent the night my father died saying the Lord’s Prayer over and over. The words “thy will be done” stuck in my craw. I respect God and his will, but I don’t feel that I have to love every bit of it.
Who are we to love, choose or understand God anyway? I swear that at times he just wants (oh well, this is the Pit) to just wave his dick around and see what it hits. Sure, there is a plan, and we all play a part, but the only good thing I can see coming out of when tragedy after tragedy happens to a good person is that we might learn to cherish that person a little more. I’m sorry, but that strikes me as a hollow victory at best.
I do hope things get better (and yes, “better” is a relative term here.) I wish there was something I could say or do. Actually, I wish I had a magic wand…
Our primary care physician visited my wife this morning and told her that Parkinson’s was only a possibility, not a firm diagnosis. (It was the neurologist who had told her she had Parkinson’s on Sunday.) I’m not sure whether he’s being optimistic or trying to keep her spirits up. As I mentioned before, they had done a full-body MRI on Monday; she was told that the head and neck views didn’t show anything, with the implication that this was a good sign. They also told her they were going to transfer her to a rehab unit; this may mean more time in the hospital but could also improve her mobility.
Again, thanks to all for your good wishes. Virtuosity, I will consider getting a second opinion. We’ve had the same PCP for a long time and have been pretty satisfied with her general care; there was a brief period when we had to deal with another doctor when he left the HMO, but then we switched to Blue Cross just so we could go back to him because the other doctor was an idiot (she once told my wife that her foot looked fine - except she was looking at the wrong foot).
And I refuse to get drawn into religious discussions. I don’t seriously expect life to be fair. I realize that things could be worse, that we’ve had advantages that others do not, and that there has been good in our lives. That didn’t stop me from raging against the universe when my mother died in her late fifties. It’s not going to stop me from doing so now. And I can only feel sorry for those who see other people’s tragedies as an excuse to preach.
(oh, and Drastic I recognize your reference and agree with your premise)
LurkMeister, I surely sympathize. While it’s not to be compared to your suffering, I’ve spent the last 12 years jumping every time the phone rings, expecting to hear that my mother is dead of myelofibrosis. And I gave up my faith a long time ago. There may be a god, but he/she clearly doesn’t give a hoot about us.
Please give your amazingly courageous wife a hug for all of us, and also know that we all admire you for your devotion to love. I wish I could say something more hopeful, but I can’t. We have to love each other in the short time we’re here, and those of us who don’t are wasting our time.
Fuckoff, toejam. This is a place that LurkMeister can come and vent his woes. Where he can let some steam off when life seems too much to bear. Hell, his wife’s been thru things that sound as if they’re out of the book of Job, for Christ’s sakes! Please take your holy fucking self-righteousness elsewhere while the rest of us commiserate with the OP. You are neither helpful, insightful nor comforting. What do YOU think Jesus would say here? I doubt it would be what you just said.
LM, I hope you can help her bear this heavy burden - I know it must be very difficult for you both. I would say you are both lucky to have known and loved such strong, wonderful people.
I’m deadly serious, but I’m not the one who’s gonna be damned. Unfortunately you won’t see that until it’s too late!
Who said anything about the Bible?
Well, seeing as I’m not trolling, why would I have your sympathy? I do not ask for it, nor need it! If I want sympathy, I’ll visit someone in real life!
If you are referring to me as the one who uses peoples tragedies to preach, it’s the other way around! The title of this thread is “Mark Twain was right; God is a malign thug. (Long and personal)” - you’ve opened it up yourself! I merely pointed out that on one hand people don’t acknowledge or respect God, yet on the other hand at the same time they want everything, and when they don’t get it they blaspheme to the most attrocious levels! As long as you realise that you’ve had advantages that others don’t, that’s fine. But don’t blame God for what you don’t have (or do have but don’t want!).
I’m a firm believer that everyone gets everything equally in this life, just in different currencies. If someone is very rich, they often lose happiness, whereas poor people enjoy life more and are happer with themselves and who they are. You get people in western countries with access to modern technology, food and medicine, but there are the pitfalls to go with it too!
Why don’t you kiss my hairy ass and make me! This is a place LurkMeister came to blaspheme due to his personal situation (which I don’t think is that bad taking everything into account, just bad compares to what he’s used to!), and invite others to do the same! Why blame God for this, and not realise it’s your own doing? I don’t understand!
As for what I think Jesus would say, he’d say not to blaspheme, and always keep the faith! Are you gonna tell me different?
Sorry, forgot about you! I’ve never forgotten, because it never happened! Funny how aetheists can make up lies to comfort themselves that there is no God! Don’t forget to order a new pair of pants for when you shit yourself when you find out you’re wrong!
I would love to make you - if I could skip kissing your hairy ass. I prefer nice, smooth, hairless asses personally. LurkMeister is free to blaspheme here if he wants - witnessing should be kept to GD, if you read the forum descriptions.
I did discuss this thread with my Mom, a most religious woman, and she agrees that your criticisms are more than out of line and is of the opinion that God himself would understand LM and his wife’s anger in this situation. He would understand their humanity.
How the heck is all this illness her own doing? Are you saying that SHE DESERVED THIS? If I prayed, I’d pray for you to gain greater understanding of such things. Maybe I’ll take it up again specifically for that reason.
You’re right, Jesus probably would have said that, but he wouldn’t have said what I QUOTED in my post. That was my point. Thank you for seeing it.
So your religious belief is, keep the Hell, throw out troublesome bits such as that ninth-hour “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani.” Well, not surprising–fundieporn enthusiasts always do that in their hearts, and it’s sort of refreshing to see one openly do so.
I’m not an atheist, by the by. I just try to live up to having been born with opposable thumbs and that tendency to walk upright. You might want to give that a shot someday.
I’m sure sorry to hear about all your wife’s gone through, LurkMeister. I just can’t imagine having all that happen. And here I’m all upset over a little minor physical problem that I’ve been struggling with. You have my thoughts and prayers. I wish things would be better for both of you.
