That story line only matters if GZ says it. If it’s just what folks on the internet are saying, then what’s it matter?
I don’t think GZ actually told us that story.
There’re two timelines I have seen. One in accord with the Seminole County sheriff’s office and one that the prosecution has put out.
The former shows about 4 minutes iirc and the latter shows 2 minutes.
In one of the recent tapes the questioner asks Z if he stood on the other side of the block talking on the phone for a minute and a half.
Not that I could tell.
Maybe instead of asking me this question, you could simply tell me how common it is that LE first aid kits are treated as evidence. If this isnt unusual in you experience, then I’ll not argue you down.
It matters because if Zimmerman stumbled into that tree or something else, rather than fell immediately backwards like we were initially given to believe, then it could explain how his got those cuts on his head.
Another thing that is off is that as Zimmerman reenacts the fight, he stands in the opposite direction he would have been facing in if what he said is true. Not a major issue, but think about it. If he’d been walking towards his truck when Martin appeared from behind, when he supposedly got punched and then landed on his ass, his head should have ended up on the grass. Maybe he spun around somehow when the fight traveled down the path, but he never said he did this.
Can someone remind me what direction Martin’s body was oriented when he was found? Was his head pointing towards the opposite side of the sidewalk, or was it pointing in the direction Zimmerman was supposedly heading in? We already know his body was in the grass, but iirc, the kid’s oriented the wrong way relative to Z’s claims.
Not remotely unusual.
What a sick joke. Zimmerman knew he needed this ridiculous embellishment because his life was never in danger. Fucking liar.
It seems, as noted in the last police interview, that the injuries that are not consist ant with his claims and a lack of any defensive wounds on either person may be part of the murder 2 charge claim.
While it is easy to believe that someone who has a documented history of working as a bouncer could take a hit, it seems unlikely that they wouldn’t leave a few marks of they were fighting for their lives.
I am quite sure Zimmerman’s broken nose is from being punched but his back of the head injuries appear to be from a fall from the punch or unintended events during the fight.
I don’t think it would get a conviction but maybe going to the gun first vs. trying to fight off a schoolyard style brawl is their reasoning?
This is all just a guess as to the states case, not my personal beliefs.
Before, when I said that O’Mara hates his client, my tongue was 25% planted in my cheek. But now I’m starting to really believe he does hate him.
On the Piers Morganshow, this is what O’Mara said about Z’s statements:
So what are you telling us here, counselor? That your client’s story would have been different had he known he was being watched? Isn’t this just a different way of saying that Zimmerman’s statement is not credible? Why should his awareness of any other evidence influence his portrayal of events?
Wow. Too bad that can’t be played back for the jury. I think Zimmerman is going to put his foot in it at trial, because he has so many stories to keep straight, he is going to get caught sooner or later.
No, what the lawyer is saying is that Zimmerman had no way of knowing what has been seen by what witnesses at the time he was giving his statements, which means that he was not fitting his statements to evidence. It is a lot easier to lie when you know what evidence exists. It is practically impossible to lie when there are a lot of witnesses and you don’t know what they have seen or heard.
The fact that Zimmerman’s story is not contradicted by so many witnesses, and in fact corroborated by them, from Martin being seen on top of Zimmerman to Zimmerman being seen leaning down holding Martin down after the shooting, is an enormous plus to the defense. Which is what O’Mara was saying.
Where your spin falls apart is the fact the very little of his statement matches up with the evidence. Hence his arrest.
Actually, that’s why the Stanford Authorities didn’t arrest Zimmerman. They found his story to be consistent with the evidence. It was Angela Corey, who may not even have looked at the evidence, considering the poor Probable Cause, who filed charges.
When did the SPD complete their investigation?
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Yeah, that’s why the SPD lead investigator recommended he be arrested and charged with manslaughter.
Well it is technically true that they did not arrest him previous to Cory asking them to but they did ask that he be charged and thus arrested.
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Yeah right. Keep telling yourself that.
I am still holding out a $100 bet that Zimmerman will not be convicted of 2nd degree murder. Are you sure enough to take the bet?
I can’t speak for you with the face but I think that’s a sucker bet. I believe that Zimmerman will face no legal consequences for his actions and will eventually begin a lucrative media tour as a misunderstood victim of unavoidable circumstance. That doesn’t mean I think that’s what should happen.
If, as ywtf claims, “very little” of Zimmerman’s testimony matches the evidence, then Zimmerman should, and will, be convicted. Should be a cakewalk for the prosecution. right?
Assuming it is not judged to be immune in a SYG hearing here is what my guess is on how the state will try to prove depravity of mind and thus Murder in the 2nd degree.
They may argue that chasing someone who you did not see commit a crime and you believe is armed and dangerous at night as an act that “a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another”
I think they will claim the “punk” type statements on the 911 call as meeting (2)
And if I had to handicap the case I assume they will claim it is the lack of wounds in relation to the events in his statement indicates he used deadly force without cause for (3)
I don’t see that flying with a jury with the beyond a reasonable doubt standard.
But remember they can give the jury instructions on manslaughter too.
If they claim 2c they will read the following
I think there is a much higher risk that a jury may find Zimmerman actions rose to the level of “culpable negligence” and thus return with a verdict of guilty of Manslaughter.
But it is not a cakewalk.