What’s not to get. He was punched to the west of the T near the tree, he stumbles, there is a pushing match that moves it down to where Martin gets on top of him. This is where the eyewitnesses see him.
His vehicle is parked at the curve closest to the cut through. According to his account, he walked from his car to the next street over via the cut-through and then back again and the sidewalk T is near where it started. He would have had his flashlight out looking for Martin at this point.
Martin approached Zimmerman at the top the T. He wasn’t standing there.
We don’t know where Witness 6 sees him, but this most surely will come out. What we do know it is more likely that Wit6 saw him at the T, where his back patio looks out at. He definitely would not have been able to see much if the fight had happened further down the path.
If Zimmerman were a lying (but stupid) fella, it would make sense for him to put the entire fight at the T rather than further down. He would have remembered Wit6 being there to see Trayvon on top of him, which would have served as proof that Trayvon was the bad guy. It takes someone who is relatively quick on their toes, however, to remember that the location of shell casing is a good indicator of where the shooting actually took place. Let alone the fallen body.
What you are not getting (or are you are pretending not to get) is that Zimmerman did not mention a shoving match at the moment when pinning down the key details are the most critical–right after it all happened at the police station. His written and verbal statement to the police say he was first punched and then fell onto his back. He does not say he got up on his feet. He does not say he was punched, pushed around, and then punched again for a final knock-out. There’s the initial punch that knocks him onto his back, then punchy-punch, slammy-slam, smothery-smoth, shooty-shoot. Dead, dead. Conveniently he leaves no room in his account for retreat. If the body had been found at the T, no doubt you would be using that as evidence that Zimmerman had been definitely painted in a corner.
It is interesting that you mention that tree, however. I believe it’s possible that that is where Zimmerman received his head injuries. He probably slipped and fell against that tree. His head injuries are much more consistent with contact against a pointed object than a sidewalk.
Does the eyewitness see him in the same location where Martin ends up dead? That’s the million dollar question.
I’m betting the answer is no.
Maybe this is just me being logical and stuff, but I don’t see how going through the cut-through will take me a street sign. The cut-through, which would have been dark and spooky, seems like the very worse route I’d take, given that there’s a punk lurking around whose location I don’t know. Why wouldn’t I walk to the intersection of Twin Trees and Retreat? Isn’t that the most logical place for a street sign to be?
DeeDee said Martin was hiding. If the fight started at the top of the T, then either DeeDee is lying or Martin lied to her about hiding. If you look at the reenactment and the evidence found at the scene these are consistent.
Zimmerman actually shows himself stumbling South until Martin pushes him down and gets on top of him. The fight starts by 1211 and ends up next door at 1221. W6 hears the fight start to the north of his townhouse and by the time he looks out they are by his townhouse. If the fight didn’t start at the top of the T, then why is Zimmerman’s light and keychain there?
Ah, I see. So you’re just going to ignore any statement that George makes that contradicts the version of the story you’ve decided to hang your hat on. Got it.
The Fight started near 1211 it finished at 1221
Making your font bigger only makes you look crazier, dude.
If the fight started at 1211, that leaves quite a distant for shoving and pushing. I mean, with all that shoving and pushing, you’d expect both partners to have come back with more injuries.
It doesn’t make any sense.
Cite?
What I read said W6 heard them to the north of his townhouse. When he looked outside he **saw **them by his town house.
This is consistent with Zimmerman and W11 at 1211.
Because he wasn’t looking for a street sign, he was looking for an address. He was looking over there because he already knew the street name for that street.
It’s not a function of lying or telling the truth. Dee Dee has know way of knowing what is going on unless Martin expressly tells her. If she says he says he’s next to his house, that is a specific. If she says he’s frightened, that’s an opinion. If she says he says he’s hiding after being next to his house then that means he’s gone back in the direction of Zimmerman.
And the address he was looking for would bring the police to the parallel point next to the cut-through. they could have GPS’d right up to where he was standing.
Just curious, since you seem to take his claim at face value and find nothing off about the idea he left his car to find an address that had nothing to do with his or Martin’s location.
What address did he end up giving the dispatcher before he ended the call?
What injury would be incurred from shoving?
How is it contradictory? Do you think he didn’t know where he was pinned on the ground? Where is the contradiction in the detail?
He said right on the 911 call that he was looking for Martin and a street sign. What don’t you understand about this? Where is the controversy?
You could listen to his interview here. Here’s a transcript that I took from another message board:
bolding mine
See in that last sentence where he talks about the sidewalk and how it “does like this”? We don’t know how he’s gesturing, but it’s quite reasonable to assume that he’s talking about the T.
So let’s go with that for now. If he places the on-the-ground struggle at the T, that means there is 50 feet unaccounted for in Zimmerman’s story. There is no way he’s going to be able to hand wave this away in court.
LOL. You’re funny, Magiver! All along I was thought you were really defending Zimmerman, but now I’m catching on. You’re just pulling our legs.
Right?
Just in case I’m wrong, here’s a link to the 911 transcript. Copy and paste where Zimmerman tells the dispatcher he’s looking for a street sign.