I’ll ask you again for a cite. I’m not sifting through your unsupported link.
8 minutes into the re-enactment videoHe specifically mentions being struck, stumbling then pushing Martin off before Martin gets on top of him.
Magiver, seems to me you’d want to pony up a dollar and actually examine the evidence before coming out in defense of Zimmerman. We aren’t talking about esoteric details here, but stuff that’s common knowledge to anyone half-way paying attention to this case.
But since you need your hand held, here:
Bolding mine.
Are you caught up now? Do you have an explanation for this major discrepancy between Zimmerman’s story and the physical evidence, or do you want to dick around some more?
Interview with Detective Doris Singleton, audio files here:
Interestingly, that is not at all consistent with Zimmerman’s account. According to Zimmerman, he was punched in the nose, he fell down, and Martin ‘just started punching me in the face’. In other words - multiple punches.
Your stance was that the ‘only a scrape on one knuckle is consistent with only one punch, which would have to be a sucker punch’. Let’s see you squirm your way around to making that one scrape on one knuckle (below the knuckle, actually) consistent with Zimmerman’s actual story of sucker punch + multiple punches to a prone, helpless Zimmerman’s face. Good luck.
The scream ends mid-scream literally with the gunshot. Instantaneously. George says he didn’t think he had shot Martin yet, and he thought Martin was armed. So he goes from sheer, mortal terror, afraid for his life, defcon 3 alert, to ‘ok, I’m fine, I don’t need help now’ *the exact instant he pulled the trigger *even if the bullet hadn’t hit Martin? Is that really the stance you want to stand behind?
The fight started in front of unit 1211 and Martin was shot in front 1221. That is closer to 30 feet than 60. You can measure it in Google Earth if you want. Zimmerman pushed Martin off of him and depending on what the police and EMTs did with the body it might have ended up 40 ft from the T, but not more.
Also by conceding that the fight started at the T, you are conceding that Martin confronted Zimmerman. To be consistent with DeeDee story the confrontation would have to happen no further North than 1221.
Why do you say that? He didn’t know the name of Twin Trees. He lives on Retreat View. He actually walked to Retreat View to get a house number.
You guys keep saying Zimmerman is an idiot, but you expect Zimmerman to have an Eidetic memory and every flub is the result of malice instead of stupidity.
From my experience, most people aren’t good at remembering or even knowing street names. I once mentioned a street name to my roommate and he asked me where it was. I told him it is the street he drives down every day to leave the subdivision.
If Martin had been at the top of the T, there wouldn’t be any reason to search for him, he would likely have been visible from the clubhouse.
I have heard 40 and I’ve heard 50. Specifically “53”. We shall see which is closer later, but whether it’s 30 or 50, it’s still a considerable distance that does not square with the neat-and-tidy-scene that Zimmerman paints.
What?
How do one follow from the other? DeeDee was not there to observe “T’s”, street addresses, or anything else.
If everything played out the way it did at 1221, you still need to explain how Zimmerman came to be ambushed all the way down there. There’s a reason why he said the fighting happened at the T. It puts him on the direct path back to his vehicle. If it happened further down the path, this indicates Zimmerman was not going back to his truck, but rather pursing Martin. In other words, it means he is a liar who is trying to cover up wrong-doing.
He has demonstrated that he is quite able to lie to cover up wrong-doing.
- Martin staggered or crawled a few feet after he was shot. As he didn’t die instantly this is at least possible. I would expect Zimmerman to have mentioned it at some point, though.
According to his video he was more inline with the tree to the right of the T. He said: “he punched me in the face, right up around here (indicating area near tree) to be honest I don’t remember exactly, I stumbled, I fell down and he pushed me down and somehow got on top of me… It was more over here, I was trying to push him away and then he got on top of me somewhere over here.”
Where is the controversy?
yes. the fight would have stopped abruptly with the firing of the gun.
He wouldn’t have mentioned this because it contradicts what he said happened. According to Z, he shot the kid, who then sat up and said “You got me”, and Zimmerman knocked him to the side and straddled him.
Oh for cryin’ out loud. Have you -seen- a map of the area? There are only three streets in the entire neighborhood. Retreat View Circle is the main one. Guess what shape it is…that’s right it’s A CIRCLE. It loops the entire community. There are only two other streets: Long Oak Way is a minor cut-through south of the little pond in the community - it connects Retreat View Circle with Twin Trees - more on this below - which you have to turn on to get to S. Oregon Ave which is east of the community. The other main road inside the community is Twin Trees, which basically runs North-South through the entire community - you have to take Twin Trees to turn on to Oregon Ave, which is north of the community.
Read that again: You CAN NOT drive in and out of the community without taking Twin Trees road.
You’re telling me that George had lived in the community for three years, had been patrolling the area as head of the neighborhood watch program, didn’t know the name of one of two streets he had to drive on every day of his life to go anywhere? At one point GZ tells the detectives that he ‘knows all the residents’ of the community - ‘all the adults, all the kids’. But he can’t remember three street names?
Why is this important? Because George, in his re-enactment, is using ‘I needed a street sign’ as his reason for getting out of the truck. For that, he has to feign not knowing the street. It’s a crock of shit, of course: The dispatcher doesn’t ask for an address etc. until well -after- George had already gotten out of his truck, when it’s clear he got out to chase Martin who had ‘run away’.
You mean, besides the fact that he previously said that he had been knocked down with the first punch?
Well, d’uh, of course the fight stopped abruptly. Martin was killed pretty much instantly.
But GZ didn’t know that, based on his own testimony.
What’s your explanation for George knowing that he didn’t need to shout for help anymore the instant he pulled the trigger?
I think we are about due for Magiver to again declare, “It doesn’t matter.”
Here’s a map. Based on the source, I don’t think it’s been rigged for Martin’s benefit.
Can someone provide Zimmerman’s supposed path from his vehicle?
What part of this post are you not digesting? Look, I’ll spell it out step by step. Stop me when you get lost.
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Z says Martin punched him at the T.
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In his written statement and taped interview, he said he fell right after being punched. In his reenactment, he says he was pushed along/stumbled down a few feet south of the T. But ultimately in all of his accounts, he says he ended up on the ground and stayed there until he shot Martin.
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Witness 6 says he saw the two wrestling on the ground. Where does he see this fight? In his interview with SPD, it seems as though he places the fight near the T. This makes sense because, given the limited visibility outside that night, the fight would have needed to have been near his back door for him to have even seen anyone. In Z’s reenactment, he also places the fight close to the T relative to where the kid was shot.
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if Witness 6 is telling the truth, then Z’s story is false. W6’s account is evidence there were two phases to the fight: a wrestle match near the T and a one-sided gun fight 50 feet away. To get from phase 1 to phase 2, there had to have been a chase.
I’ve lived at my current residence for 20 years. couldn’t tell you the name of any of the streets other than the one I live on and the main road going by the community.
He’s clearly trying to give directions to the dispatcher. He ends up giving physical directions without a street name. He doesn’t know the name of the street. It’s not up for debate or is there a debate in that fact. He also admits he was trying to locate Martin and when asked to stop said OK. Where is the controversy?
He says he was knocked down and stumbles in the video. He then goes on to say he tried to push Martin away.
Well duh to the person who thinks there’s a reason to continue yelling for help against someone beating him.
Just before the incident, there’s a banging sound heard on the 9-11 tape. In the interview, Zimmerman said he tapped his flashlight because it wasn’t working. If it was the green dog pooper pickup near the top of the T, why would Zimmerman stop the chase long enough to bang his flashlight against something, since the body wasn’t found that far from the green dog toilet?
I quoted the video. He said he was punched, stumbled and fell and then proceeded to push Martin off until Martin got the better of him.
You’re still not getting it. I give up.