The address on the other side of the cut-through doesn’t help the officers get to George’s truck at all, does it? I mean, he might as well give them the address of the 7-11 for all it helps.
Against a football player and street fighting practitioner.
The defense only has to present eyewitnesses that Zimmerman was pinned to the ground by Martin and couldn’t get up or get away. The defense will also present eyewitnesses that no neighbors came to physically assist Zimmerman while he cried out for help.
Zimmerman was on his own and the mounting injuries from the beating that Martin was administering would convince the average juror that Zimmerman could very well have been in fear for his life.
Lethal force is allowed in FLA if a person believes their life is in danger.
You mean, besides claiming to answer a question that the dispatcher never asked him?
How about we do this:
At 00:25 of the call (It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about): where do you think Zimmerman is?
How about at 00:42 (He’s here now … he’s just staring)?
How about 01:03? (He’s near the clubhouse now? Yeah, now he’s coming towards me).
01:20? (He’s coming to check me out / don’t know what his deal is)
01:39? (Assholes always get away / directions past clubhouse)
02:08 (He’s running)
He went to get a house number on the other side of the T. It’s on the street he knows the name of. It’s the street he lives on. Giving the police an actual address allows them to navigate direct instead of following his instructions. Had he given the address then they would have driven to that location instead of his truck. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that The center of the T is the same distance in either direction.
I was a football player too. So was my brother, and he couldn’t beat my sister arm-wrestling.
Cite for street fighting practictioner? That video has been shown to be bogus, btw.
‘Mounting injuries’? You mean the cut on his nose and two cuts on his head? Those are mounting injuries? And he was bleeding so profusely from these injuries that not a drop got on his t-shirt or jacket.
Bricker can probably chime in, but I think that it’s not enough to say you were ‘fearful of your life’, such fear has to be ‘reasonable’. Suppose you brush against me in the elevator. I’m claustrophobic, so am already a bit tense, I decide you’re about to mug me, so I pull out my Glock and shoot you in the head.
I may have honestly been afraid for my life…but it was hardly reasonable.
If that’s where Zimmerman actually was, it would have helped but Zimmerman was attempting to direct police to where he actually was at the moment. He could meet them at his vehicle or at an address number. The object was for him to meet up with the police.
Martin apparently had a different plan for Zimmerman that seems to have included beating him.
The first thing out of his mouth at 00:25 is the wrong address. If he was at clubhouse where he started the phone call he could accurately read the address. I think he’s parked his truck at the cut-through.
So now that I’ve patiently answered all your questions what possible claim are you trying to make?
That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. To direct people to his truck, he’s going to give an address on another street? So the officers can get to that address, guess that Martin is actually on the other side of the cut-through, run all the way through the cut-through, so they can be 300 feet from their patrol cars with radios, first aid kits and such.
Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:
Of course, it is all sort of beside the point: George claims to be looking for an address long before he was actually asked for an address on the initial 911 (well, non-emergency line) call. He’s very very direct (and very very wrong) about this in the re-enactment video.
He says ‘111 Retreat View Circle’. The actual address is 1111 Retreat View Circle. He missed out one ‘1’, but otherwise - I mean, that’s awfully specific. You think he had it memorized but remembered it wrong? Or you think maybe he could see the address but not perfectly…I don’t know, maybe it was raining or something?
No, to direct the police to his location he would give them an address they can navigate to.
Martin’s last known location was in the back of the row of houses connected to the T. This is where Zimmerman is toward the end of the call. He’s on the top part of the T. It doesn’t matter which side they approach from but from a navigation point of view it would have been better if he had given them an actual address. If he was still at the clubhouse he need only look out the window to see the name of the street Martin went down. Then he only needs a house number when he pulls up.
this doesn’t make any sense at all. He’s calling to report a suspicious person and giving a location is the most fundamental point of the call. It’s the first thing out of his mouth. He spends the remaining part of the call either describing what’s going on or how to get there.
Yes, he missed a “1”. That’s the difference between reading something directly and repeating what you thought you saw earlier. Again, if he was at the corner with the sign showing the street Martin went down. He could have read that off to the dispatcher.
By saying you and your borther were “football” players, you don’t mean you were soccer players do you? I understand soccer players are routinely bested by women while armwrestling. 
Mounting injuries. Yes, mounting injuries. What will the next cut, or scrape, or broken bone produce? Double vision, choking, permanent injury, death? There was no stopping Martin’s savage attack. There was no one to stop Martin’s savage attack. Except Zimmerman. Zimmerman believed his life was in danger. He didn’t have time to ask you if you thought Zimmerman’s life was in danger.
FLA says everyone can use lethal force to defend their life if they believe their life is in danger. A jury will be advised that FLA law says everyone can use lethal force to defend their life if they believe their life is in danger.
Must be painful.
5’7" 204 pounds, all belly
If they have a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm. That’s something else again, and Zimmerman’s injuries do not support this. A jury is going to have to be persuaded that his head was repeatedly bashed against the sidewalk (even though his actual injuries make this a dubious claim,) that Martin was trying to smother him, that he made comic-book villain utterances such as “You’re going to die tonight!” etc.
The evidence (apart from Zimmerman’s own statements) doesn’t support the notion that George Zimmerman would likely have been murdered if he didn’t shoot, and it doesn’t even support the idea that he would have come to serious bodily harm. (Remember the caselaw that Bricker cited earlier specifically contrasts “serious bodily harm” with the sort of injury you’d get from a run-of-the-mill fist fight.)
If the standard was as low as some of you are pretending it is, any idiot in Florida could end a fist fight by shooting the other guy and swearing they thought they were done for. But fist fights do not typically end with one party dead or seriously injured - you have to show something that makes this fear reasonable; whether it’s a length of chain, attempts at drowning… something.
the back of his head is coveredwith cuts and abrasions consistent with his account of repeated slams against the cement.
Straddling someone and striking them is not a run of the mill fist fight. There is no indication that a fight occurred at all since Zimmerman incurred all the injuries. That’s called a beating. Zimmerman had no way of knowing if or when Martin intended to stop. He has injuries consistent with his story which involved getting his head slammed against concrete.
Maybe we have different definitions of the word ‘covered’. I see two very small wounds on his head and a couple of scratches on his forehead and nose. I’ve hurt myself worse shaving in the morning.
The EMT report says he only had one cut on the back of his head.
You shave your forehead and nose?
And the police photo I linked to shows otherwise. It’s all banged up. This what the jury will see.
FLA doesn’t say bystanders get to make the decision as to whether you believe your in danger of losing your life. Zimmerman’s injuries indicate that Zimmerman was being beaten. Zimmerman’s injuries prove that Martin was beating Zimmerman.
If Zimmerman believes that he was being injured by some crazed person who wouldn’t stop hitting him or banging his head on the concrete, Zimmerman had a right to defend himself. If Zimmerman believed that he was about to be murdered by some crazed person who wouldn’t stop hitting him or banging his head on the concrete, Zimmerman had a right to use lethal force to defend his life.
Martin hadn’t killed Zimmerman yet. Martin hadn’t knoocked Zimmerman out yet. No one was coming to Zimmerman’s aid in spite of his repeated attempts to summon help. Martin’s actions caused Zimmerman to believe that his life was in danger and Zimmerman resorted to lethal force when he had run out of other options.
The EMT will testify to the jury. One cut.