He was not looking for a street sign, but a house number on the street.
He exited the vehicle to keep an eye on Trayvon. He’s acknowledged this. After exiting his vehicle he decided it would be a good idea to continue to the next street over (one he knew the name of) and get a house address.
Barbara Walters is a manipulative, disingenuous witch. That’s how I felt before she decided to take a public cheap shot to embarrass Zimmerman and O’Mara on her crappy show.
O’Mara called her, sweetheart. And if Walters is manipulative, what would you use to describe someone who demands a hotel room for a month to do an interview?
Let me suggest that you maintain employment in your current field and not move into comedy. If you have to insist it’s funny… it’s not. I still have no idea of what you think a “gangster-walk” is.
I’m trying to understand your clairvoyant powers from these sources that led you to believe that you know exactly what this alleged “gangster-walk” looks like, and how you are so sure that it is “consistent with Zimmerman’s use of the word ‘skipping.’”
Oh - so it’s an assumption? Because earlier you said..
Had you framed it as speculation I could dismiss it as random idiocy, but you “knew what he was saying.”
Very clever. Funny thing is, as a product of an urban environment and being just at age 40, I still don’t know what the fuck you are describing. A gangster stroll? That resembles a shuffle, and isn’t a way to move quickly. As for your self-appelation as a victim of being called a racist… nah, I’m not going to bite. Tell me, do you have a free hand to nail yourself up on that cross?
Since you elected to respond to part of my post, I’m going to repost my earlier question, emeraldia, and invite you (and others who are so certain of Zimmerman’s innocence) to respond to it. I genuinely am interested in what you would say.
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Sigh. I read the PA report already. Apparently a lot closer than you did.
Last time I checked, ‘likely’ wasn’t the same as ‘definitely is’. It’s a doctor’s way of saying, '‘it’s no big deal’.
And this little gem from a well-known ultra-proGZ site. Dear god I worry for the future of our species.
Well, at least now he knows what kind of a witness he has to prep.
O’Mara is not an appointee. He can resign if Zimmerman fails to accede to his guidance.
HAHAHAHA. You were probably convinced that Zimmerman was guilty when you first heard Sharpton say it.
I asked if YOU were being mugged in your Red Herring uniform. I haven’t read where anyone suggested that Martin was being mugged. Would you like to start that rumor?
Are you suggesting that Martin was so consumed with fear that, instead of heading home, he begame confused and chose to approach Zimmerman?
Martin never approached Zimmerman.
You have to admit the examples you provided are extremely rare occurrences in 2012. It would not be a reasonable expectation to assume that George Zimmerman is a Ku Klux Klan member or other militant racist bent on killing you. If this were fifty years ago, maybe. Not in this day and age.
Nowadays, there are many times more black people attacking white (or half-white) people than vice versa. By that rationale, do you think white people should pre-emptively attack and incapacitate black people that approach them at night? And even after they don’t hit you back and start screaming for help, to continue to attack them? Of course not.
Too late; you already started it:
Right now I’m feeling embarrassed for you.
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Then there’s the perspective from Martin. I know it is probably difficult for some of you to imagine yourself as a 17 year old Black male, but if you could, you would know that groups like the Klan exist. White supremacists have injured, maimed, and killed Black men for fun. Two shitheads were shooting innocent Black people in Tulsa in April, remember? How about that asshole teenager that ran over an innocent Black man in Mississippi a few years ago? James Byrd, anyone?
So when you are walking down - excuse me, “fast gangster walking” - down the street and you are being followed, without provocation, you are probably not expecting Mister Rogers coming out to say hi. It is not irrational to believe that this person means you harm - you might have tried to hide, but they are coming after you. And of course this isn’t the movies. Someone trying to hurt you might pretend to be friendly, like the Mississippi teenager or the Byrd lynchers. So you might decide to stand your ground and incapacitate someone who might have that intent for you. Because nobody avoiding a confrontation is going to escalate it by leaving the safety of their vehicle.
Go ahead, consider it for a moment.
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I’m not emeraldia, but if you don’t mind, I will take a shot at it.
I have no issue with any of your description until you get to this -
If Martin decided to incapacitate someone who might have bad intentions towards him, then Martin was in the wrong.
Even if someone got shot in Tulsa, or in Mississippi fourteen years ago, you don’t get to punch someone in the face and bash his head on the ground because he came up to you in the street. Asking a stranger “what are you doing?” is not a threat, and does not justify a violent response.
There is no evidence to date that Zimmerman did anything that a reasonable person would consider violent, or that justified a violent response. There is evidence, mostly the nature of Zimmerman’s injuries and the lack of injury to Martin apart from a skinned knuckle, that indicate that Martin initiated the violence.
Whoever initiated the violence in this incident is in the wrong. What evidence there is to date seems to indicate that that person was Martin.
It is possible that that person was really Zimmerman. But there is no evidence of this. And if there is not sufficient evidence to prove that Zimmerman initiated violence beyond a reasonable doubt, then he must be acquitted.
Under our current system, the accused is entitled to the presumption of innocence.
Regards,
Shodan
Zimmerman did let the police handle it. There is no evidence that he confronted Martin. The evidence at hand is that Martin engaged him first. Martin’s girlfriend’s account backs this up. And Martin wasn’t a thug for walking home, he was a thug for beating Zimmerman with no signs of letting up. It is the very essence of the kind of person described as a thug.
Again, there is no evidence that Zimmerman attempted to engage Martin. If that were the case he would have gotten out of his car at the first sighting, or when Martin passed him at the club house, or when he approached the truck near the cut-through. And prior to the beating there was no reason for Zimmerman to fear Martin. At the worst, Martin was a drug addled burglar in the eyes of Zimmerman.
I can explain it to you if you agree to sign a waiver. Sucker punching someone is how you get the better of them and gain advantage. Getting on top of someone is a huge advantage.
You can think a lot of things but you have no evidence to back it up. If you take Martin at his word then he was at his house earlier. This means that he went out of his way to confront Zimmerman just as he did earlier when he approached the truck.
Martin apologists won’t concede that he went out of his way to confront Zimmerman and that alone indicates he wasn’t in fear for his life. There is no excuse for the continued beating at all. He is dead as a direct result of his treatment of Zimmerman.
GZ was doing the right thing by calling the police to report suspicious activity. Not only did Martin fail to call the police he chose to go back to the area where Zimmerman was instead of going home. He is the king of shitty judgement calls in this event.
No, I don’t have to admit that. Child abductions are rare, as are home invasions - but people take considerable precautions regarding both. Including George Zimmerman, who armed himself for the remote possibility he might be attacked.
When did these modern day lynchings of Black men occur?
James Byrd, Jr.: 1998
James Craig Anderson: 2011
Tulsa murders: 2012
Now if you were not targeted in these acts of violence, maybe they weren’t on your periphery. But I suspect for a Black male the awareness is much greater, wouldn’t you agree? Most people probably don’t know the name Vincent Chin, but if you talk to a group of Asian males, they probably do.
Cite? I have always read crime stats that indicate Black people are more likely to be the victims of violence by Black people… and the same is true of Whites, as crime tends to be residential. Prove me wrong if the data suggests this.
Are you suggesting that Zimmerman’s account is completely factual? I wouldn’t believe Martin’s account completely (if it existed). The truth is invariably somewhere in the middle - and given the Zimmerman record for veracity, I would not be so naive as to accept every aspect of his account as accurate. I’d have that standard for virtually anybody, but especially for Zimmerman.
I believe the allegation is that blacks committing crimes against whites is more common than whites committing crimes against blacks. But yes, you are correct that black-on-black crime is much more common that either black-on-white or white-on-black.
I can dig up the stats if you like, but let’s be sure what we are discussing first.
Regards,
Shodan
I read exactly the same thing that you did. If you want to disagree with the medical professionals, go ahead, nobody cares.
That is true. That would make O’Mara number three. Right?
No evidence George confronted Martin? You mean besides following him in his car, then getting out of his car to follow him on foot?
And if Martin wanted to engage George he had ample opportunity to do so. Instead he ran away. Are you suggesting that Martin was a mind reader and running was part of his evil master plan since he ‘knew’ George would follow on foot?
And when George said Martin has something in his waistband, he was referring to a bag of skittles, right? He’d never mean Martin might have a gun.
Yes, and of course if you want to sucker-punch somebody, the best way to do it is to try and approach from behind, then speak to them while you are still some distance away. You can be sure they’ll look down to get their phone, giving you time to close in, completing the sucker punch.
Did Martin come back from the dead to tell us what happened?
By ‘went out of his way to approach the truck’ you mean, had to walk by the truck that was stalking him to get to the house he was staying at’.
This debate would be a lot more interesting if the GZ supporters had only slightly more intelligence than a brain-dead slug.
Didn’t DeeDee say that Martin told her he was at his house? Do you think she’s lying? What else do you think she’s lying about?
No, she did not say Martin said he was at his house.