Was that the “God’s Plan” answer? That was…kind of heinous
I’m an atheist myself, but I think many religious people sincerely believe that God has a plan. If you don’t buy the premise, then obviously it isn’t going to make any sense to you. It is certainly no sillier than believing than God cares about the outcome of football games.
You’ve mentioned this a few times, and **Shodan **has responded to it as if it were true, but it’s incorrect, AFAIK. Zimmerman has not claimed to have said that.
Zimmerman claims that he was walking back towards his truck when he suddenly heard a voice behind him say “You got a fucking problem?” he turned and said “No, I don’t have a problem.” and while reaching for his phone TM responded “You do now!” <punch>
It is DeeDee’s testimony that TM told her that the crazy/creepy guy was approaching and she heard TM say “Why are you following me?” and GZ responded “What are you doing here?” followed by the sounds of a scuffle which ended with TM saying “Get off! Get off!” before the call was disconnected.
I appreciate the correction, as it is important to be as accurate as possible.
But I don’t see that either scenario gives any justification for an attack. Nor do I think it is definitely known that it was Martin saying “Get off”. We haven’t heard much lately from the sound experts who claimed they could prove it was Martin screaming for help. Maybe we will hear more at the trial.
Regards,
Shodan
I disagree. When he says “that’s the clubhouse” he’s no longer there. Otherwise he would simply say yes and he would also have the correct address because it would still be in front of him.
In a trial, your opinion about what someone else meant doesn’t mean anything. The person who can testify about what he said is the person himself.
Yeah, I didn’t expect it to alter your opinion. I just figured that with so many unknowns, and with such a high signal/noise ratio in this thread, it would be preferable to argue based on an accurate account of the relevant testimonies.
There’s so much obvious bullshit in the conflicting accounts, we don’t need to be adding some of our own.
Hmm.. sounds like you’re still a little tender around the edges.
More like a reasonable hypothesis based on evidence that I am highly confident in.
Uh oh. More words to look up.
Yeah, a couple of “No”'s to whether he would do anything differently followed up by “God’s Plan”. I cringed a little at his answer. I understand what he meant, but I also understand how it would come across.
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Zimmerman is doing the same sort of thing with the interview as he did when he re-enacted the incident with the cops, when he was first questioned. It’s not gonna help. But it’s the sort of thing someone would do who was [list=A][li]innocent, and not too bright.[/list]That’s why cops try to get you to tell the story over and over. You are always going to tell the story a little different every time, even if you are telling the truth (as you remember it). [/li][/QUOTE]
Another factor, and one I can relate to, is that Zimmerman has ADD. I think it is a contributing factor to some parts of the case. Such as why he didn’t know the name of the street, some of the answers he gave to the investigators, and some of the verbal gaffes from the Hannity interview. But, as you say, the more times someone talks about something (particularly a relatively complex series of events of an emotional nature.)
It would also explain the impulsive and irresponsible actions he took that night, as well as aggressive behavior.
Again, you pro-Zimmermans can’t have it both ways. If ya’ll want to play the ADHD victim game, then play the damn game all the way to the hilt. Don’t just play it so that it works in his favor. If you can’t do that, just don’t bring it up at all.
Zimmerman loses massive points whenever you bring up the ADHD thing. It’s too much to swallow that the condition swamps his ability to control himself in public and his spatial memory, while leaving his temper and wisdom completely unaffected. If he was that bad off that he would walk so far out of the way to find a street sign (not a number, but a sign), then he had no business being on patrol in that neighborhood. Let alone carrying a loaded gun.
Zimmerman strikes me as a man who lived a lot in his mind and acted out his fantasies through his more or less mundane activities, such as the neighborhood watch thing, spying on his neighbors and calling the cops when something made him feel insecure. Carrying around a gun was probably part of this “life as theater” acting out of fantasies.
Unfortunately, he was clearly ill-prepared for it when real life intruded upon his fantasies of being self-appointed armed guardian of “his” turf. Things got more and more out of control and he was reluctant to yield to the police when they told him to back of and wait for them.
Driving around in your car with a gun to satisfy your inner fantasies is one thing, but getting out and imposing yourself upon a stranger, when there was no clear or compelling justification for doing so, strikes me as extremely poor judgment and literally asking for the fickle finger of fate to smite you. Or in this case, Zimmerman in one way and the other hapless soul in another way.
Guns may not kill, but people possessing screwed up motives and poor judgment, and armed with guns, kill all the time.
Being an innocent idiot isn’t the only condition that would cause Zimmerman to do something as bone-headed as talk to Hannity. Arrogant attention whores that are guilty as hell but overly confident in an acquittal will also pull the stunts that GZ have pulled.
No evidence he “imposed himself” onto Trayvon Martin. He didn’t even know where the kid had gone to. So many people bought into that initial bullshit narrative- and they just can’t seem to let it go.
You so crazy.
Agree with this analysis completely, except the last sentence, because the’s no such case to be made.
Apparently the rest of Zimmerman’s interview with Hannity. (Can’t find a more official one online). Too bad some of this stuff didn’t make it in. And too bad they lost their 2nd opportunity to have Hannity mention the donation site (which he never did Wednesday. And tonight they skipped playing the interview live for the Batman killer). Zimmerman just not having good luck in the last… five months.
Hannity: Zimmerman Attorney Mark O'Mara on upcoming trial - YouTube — Questions to Mark O Mara
Apparently.
Besides the ‘gzlegalcase’ site that O’Mara maintains, GZ has now relaunched his own personal ‘therealgeorgezimmerman’ site to provide “a voice for George Zimmerman, identifying and correcting misinformation” … “as a venue where George’s supporters can offer words of encouragement and financial support” and where you can also see smiling pictures of George and his dog.
Oh, that’s right, I forgot…Martin pulled Zimmerman out of Zimmerman’s car and grabbed his gun and thank goodness Zimmerman knew Karate and disarmed the kid but the gun accidentally fell and a passing puppy doberman pulled the trigger. :smack: :rolleyes: