The police told him no such thing, in fact the police had no contact with him until after the shooting. A phone operator told him he didn’t need to follow Martin.
What do you mean by “imposing himself” on? The only pieces of evidence we have - Zimmerman’s statement and DeeDee’s statement - both say Martin spoke to Zimmerman first.
As do people on the receiving end of a beating which has already resulted in them getting multiple injuries, and shows no sign of stopping. That Zimmerman may have demonstrated screwed up motives and poor judgement doesn’t justify Martin’s attack on him.
Oh, I know, my little pork chop. Thankfully, my opinion doesn’t matter here, because the person himself is telling us about what he said. Go back and listen to the recordings.
If you disagree about where George is, you’re not disagreeing with me, you’re calling your Saint George a liar.
You don’t know what, precisely, Zimmerman did, and so you don’t know that.
There remains an unexplained gap in Zimmerman’s story; he is still maintaining that he got out of his vehicle and then was unexpectedly attacked. But that is not consistent with where the altercation ended, far from his vehicle. There remains a gap of time for which we presently have no explanation and no evidence. The prosecution may in fact have some critical evidence of something that happened there - indeed, if they do, it could be the case-making evidence. But we don’t know.
Anyway, as to his doing the interview, lik everyone else, I am absolutely stunned he did it. This violates Rules 1 through 10 of how toconduct yourself as a defendant, all of which are “Shut the hell up.” I cannot for the life of me understand why Zimmerman would do something so hideously risky with no reward, unless it was the only way he could afford his legal bills, which I doubt.
I know that nothing we’ve seen so far justifies Martin’s attack on him. As you say, the prosecution may have evidence that he did something that did, although I would expect it to have been released by now.
This is ultimately the problem. There is insufficient evidence to say, for sure, what happened. This is why I don’t think there will be an SYG hearing, and that if there is Zimmerman wouldn’t be cleared by it, and also why I think Zimmerman will be cleared at trial.
If he is cleared at trial, he should be treated as though he’s innocent, until such point as he’s either convicted of a crime or found civilly liable for his actions
I agree completely, and I think Zimmerman is sabotaging his own case. I can think of no way this interview will help him. The only reason I can think he would do this is that his conscience is bothering him, and he feels the need to bare his soul in public. As to whether that suggests innocence or guilt, I’m really not sure.
His doing this interview is symptomatic of him vastly overestimating his capacity to persuade people. You almost can’t blame him. There have probably been plenty of people he has manipulated over the course of his life.
Despite the two new inconsistencies that were revealed (Martin’s skipping and his new reason for exiting his car) I’m actually surprised how little his story has deviated from the contrived little ditty he gave the cops during the reenactment. Almost word for word, he repeated the same superfluous silliness about him reaching for his cellphone (but it was in his other pocket, not the one he reached into, yo) And the most gaping holes (the discrepant distance between where he claims he was punched and where Martin was shot, the irreconciliabiity of Martin suffocating him with being the voice screaming on that tape, the bullet trajectory taken together with Martin’s supposed position on top of Zimmerman) remain gaping. He hasn’t bothered to explain these away, which I would have thought he would have if he’s been paying attention to what ppl on the internet have been talking about.
The issues he continues to embellish seem to indicate that Zimmerman is more concerned about minimizing Martin’s claim to self-defense than shoring up the weaknesses in his own claim of such. He thinks that if he can convince us that 1) Martin was not afraid of him and 2) Zimmerman did not confront him, then all is gravy. But this is tactically stupid. Out of everything in this case, both 1) and 2) are corroborated by the strongest evidence. Deedee will tell the court that Martin was afraid of Z. Zimmerman’s call to non-emergency will reveal GZ saying Martin was running from him. The same call will reveal Z admitting to following Martin because these “assholes always get away”. The same call will not reveal Zimmerman telling the dispatcher he is trying to find a street sign. So it makes little sense for him to invest in lying about these details when these are the two easiest details for the prosecution to disprove. Dumbass.
My admittedly limited understanding of the case is that there were 8 recent robberies, a shooting, and a women was forced to barricade herself in her upstairs bedroom during one home invasion, plus dozens of attempted robberies in the community, so they got together and appointed someone to be a watchman. That isn’t self appointed.
The Stanford police department is telling him not to follow the suspect. Do you think George thought he was talking to one of the operators that put your ‘call collect’ calls through to your uncle?
The most gaping holes are a) he says it was ‘less than 30 seconds’ between hanging up the phone and him running into Martin. But we know there is over two minutes of unexplained time between the end of GZ’s NEN call and the start of the fight.
The only way both of these facts can be true is if the fight lasted for a -lot- longer than is thought as of now. And -that- scenario is not a good one for George, because it’s going to be very hard for him to say with a straight face that he was ‘savagely beaten’ for over two minutes yet comes out with a couple of scratches, practically no blood anywhere, jeans look fine, etc.
b) He continues to insist on his physically impossible story of making the NEN phone call at the Clubhouse, then driving down to the stopping point on TTL, where Martin ‘circles his car’ and runs away. Not only is it pretty much impossible for Martin to do all that walking in that length of time…why does George want to say he immediately got out of his car to chase after a suspicious, possibly armed dude that just threateningly circled his car?
No, they are not. If you think that’s what he was told, you don’t understand simple English, regardless of your opinion of whether the operator had any authority over him.
Yes they are, and if you think otherwise I feel sorry for you, as you’re probably suffering from severe speech/language disorder.
What do you think the dispatcher meant when he said, ‘we don’t need you to follow’ and what do you think George was acknowledging when he said ‘Ok’. Do you think George was calling the NEN just to give them a blow-by-blow account of what he was going to do, or was he calling for assistance? Was he calling them with the full intention of ignoring anything they said?
What unexplained gap? Zimmerman was talking to the NEN operator until he was walking back to his vehicle. Based on the NEN records and the 911 calls, there is only about 30 seconds between when he hung up on the NEN operator and Martin confronted him.
They quite clearly meant they didn’t want him to follow, and that it was a bad idea for him to follow. Nonetheless, it was not an instruction, and Zimmerman would have not been required to obey it if it were.
He was calling them with the intention of getting what he suspected was a criminal arrested.
The most gaping holes are a) he says it was ‘less than 30 seconds’ between hanging up the phone and him running into Martin. But we know there is over two minutes of unexplained time between the end of GZ’s NEN call and the start of the fight.
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I say that 30 seconds sounds like a good guess. It couldn’t be much longer. The 2 minute gap is actually between when the call ends and shot was fired. We have a 1:20 gap and by the time W11 hears the altercation, decides to call 911 and actually gets connected will take up most of the time.
Go to what I post in 4296. That is the time from the Sanford Police. You don’t need to reference anybody else for the time the NEN call hung up until the 911 from W11 came in.
Zimmerman’s call connected at 7:09:34 (cite), and lasted for approx. four minutes. The NEN report of Zimmerman’s call was created at 7:11:12, but the call has already been underway for almost two minutes. How do we know this? Because at 7:11:59, the dispatcher updates the record, noting that the subject is running away. Zimmerman told the dispatcher this 02:08 or so into his call - there’s no way the NEN dispatcher could have updated the file with that information only forty-seven seconds into the call. The update comes a little over 2 minutes after the call connected, which matches perfectly with the timing of the NEN recording.
GZ’s NEN phone call ends at 07:13:41, NOT 7:15:23.
The first 911 call is at 7:16:43 - that’s three minutes after the end of Zimmerman’s call. The scuffle obviously started before the person actually picked up the phone to dial 911, but witness accounts suggest the struggle started about 45 seconds before the 911 call.
So, yes, there is a two-minute gap. We still don’t know what happenened in the intervening 2-odd minutes. George wants us to believe that there was a ‘less than 30 second’ gap - hang up phone, start walking back to truck, Martin sucker-punches him, etc etc.
He obviously doesn’t want to admit that he spent the two minutes trying to find…oh, sorry, ‘maintain visual contact’ of the gangsta-skipping thug.
No matter how badly you want to believe this, it clearly is a lie.
