Wow. You make a mistake on a basic fact and get all defensive when someone corrects you. Welcome aboard. You should fit in fine. BTW, you can see the wired headset in the video.
I can’t see shit in that video. There might be something hanging down, like hoodie strings, but how you are so certain it is his headset is beyond me.
Go to full screen and go to 1:55 in the video. They zoom in there so you can see more detail. Also can also hear Martin keeps saying hello while he fiddles with the control on the headset cord. Apparently he was having trouble connecting at the 7-11.
Here’s a list of traits for narcissism, according to Wikipedia.
The items in bold strike me as being particularly Zimmerman-esque, based on what we’ve seen of him. As it relates to the charge he’s been tried with, having a narcissistic personality would explain why he would ignore both the police dispatcher instructions and the NHW guidelines, in his pursuit of Martin. These rules are for lesser people, you see. Narcissist personalities overestimate their importance and ability at handling problems these rules are set up to prevent.
Narcissism would also explain why he can’t put himself in Martin’s shoes, and appreciate that the kid had a legitimate reason to react fearfully towards him. Which explains why he didn’t identify himself as a neighborhood watchman. In his mind, his authority should have been obvious to Martin, so the kid was inherently out of line for resisting him. All of this tragedy could have been prevented if Zimmerman had recognized from the minute he got out of his truck that his conduct was reckless and dangerous.
The lack of empathy, though, is what seals it. Evidence suggests Zimmerman killed an unarmed teenager who was pleading for help. Depraved mind anyone?
So narcissism is quite relevant to the charge he’s been charged with.
Not in a court of law.
Hahahaha.
Your honor, Mr. Zimmerman is obviously a narcissistic personality and as such, is clearly guilty of anything we say he is. The prosecution rests.
In the court of common sense it does.
That and five bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks.
Once again, for like the 12th time, this is an opinion and speculation thread, so this is a perfectly appropriate venue for this sort of speculation and opinion stating.
No further justification is required to post.
This thread is not a court of law, so you can feel free to object, but noone has to listen to your objections.
So Zimmerman’s going on TV to apologize proves he denies being remorseful?
The problem is that Martin did not have a legitimate reason to attack Zimmerman. So there is really nothing to explain, if Zimmerman’s account is true. And there is, as yet, no convincing evidence that Zimmerman’s account is not substantially true. Your MO of assuming Zimmerman is lying, coming up with some alternative scenario (for which there is no evidence), waving away all the evidence that back’s up Zimmerman, and assigning guilt based on speculation, is not convincing.
There is no evidence that Martin was resisting anything, but the other way around, and no evidence that Zimmerman thought his authority was obvious.
As I say, you are making unproven assertions and using them as “proof” of other unproven assertions.
Again, there is no convincing evidence that Martin was pleading for help.
It would be, if you had any proof. As it is, not very.
Regards,
Shodan
So esmerelda’s “tweaky” and “disengaged” was just more victim-blaming nonsense? It’s reminiscent of Zimmerman’s “looks like he’s on drugs” idiocy. Shouldn’t people be accustomed to seeing others use hands-free phones by now?
He showed no remorse at all. His apology to the Martin’s parents on Hannity amounted to nothing more than “it’s kinda sucky you had to bury your kid.” He explictly said he had no regrets about what happened, which implies that if given the chance to relive history, he wouldn’t change a thing. It was God’s will, after all.
Martin had a legitimate reason to be afraid someone pursuing him in a truck and then on foot, in the dark, in an unfamiliar neighborhood.
The State of Florida and I disagree with this assertion.
Shodan, you don’t have to cut people’s post into digestible quotes to make your point more substantial. Geez. When you get on national television and say that (i) you wouldn’t do anything different knowing what you knows now (ii) say that what has happened is “God’s plan” and (iii) apologize to the Martin family. Something in i, ii, iii doesn’t belong, which is it? I don’t think Zimmerman gives a flying fuck about the family. Now, frankly, I don’t fault him in that. I fault him for not expressing remorse. You see, there’s a difference in expressing real remorse from killing someone’s minor child and acquiescing guilt to the crime. What many of you don’t understand is that Zimmerman showing remorse can only help him.
It’s not that I reject Zimmerman’s account because it’s Zimmerman’s account. I reject it because he has a history of not telling the truth the court and his past behavior. Even the lead investigator found inconsistencies in his statement.
- Honesty
The State of Florida will have to come up with evidence for what they allege. I haven’t seen any from them, and you don’t seem to have any.
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It’s not that I reject Zimmerman’s account because it’s Zimmerman’s account. I reject it because he has a history of not telling the truth the court and his past behavior.
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So throw out all the other parts that aren’t backed up by evidence, on both sides. What you have left is not enough to convict anyone of second-degree murder.
What’s the evidence that Zimmerman got out of his truck to follow Martin? There isn’t any. What’s the evidence that he didn’t? The fact that, earlier, Zimmerman said “Those assholes, they always get away”. Ergo, he thought Martin got away. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman’s account, in that respect, being true.
What’s the evidence that Zimmerman was first to initiate violence? There isn’t any. What’s the evidence that Martin was the first? The scrape on Martin’s knuckle, the black eyes and bloody nose on Zimmerman, and the lack of any other injury to Martin. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman’s account, in that respect, being true.
What’s the evidence that Martin was screaming for help? There isn’t any - Martin’s parents’ first evidence was the the screams did not come from their son. The sound experts who alleged they could tell that it was Martin have been refuted (to the degree necessary outside court) by other experts who say they could not tell any such thing. What’s the evidence that Zimmerman was screaming for help? We know someone was from the 9/11 call, and the obvious fact is that no one screams for help while beating the crap out of someone else. And the nature of Zimmerman’s injuries show that he was very much on the wrong side of the beating. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman’s account, in that respect, being true.
What is the evidence that Martin was not on top of Zimmerman bashing his head on the ground? There isn’t any, and the State will have to disprove this if and when they get to court. What is the evidence that Martin was on top of Zimmerman bashing his head on the ground? The injuries to the back of Zimmerman’s head, and the eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman’s account, in that respect, being true.
What is the evidence that Zimmerman was not in fear of his life? There isn’t any, and the State will have to disprove this, if and when they get to court. What’s the evidence that Zimmerman was in fear of his life? The simple fact that most people recognize that a reasonable person would fear death or serious injury if a stranger sucker-punched you, jumped on your chest, and bashed your head on the ground. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman’s account, in that respect, being true.
So, leaving out everything that has no evidence one way or the other, what do we have?
Zimmerman was driving in his truck, spotted someone suspicious, and called it in to 9/11. He then lost sight of the person he was following. The 911 operator told him that he didn’t need to follow the person. Zimmerman wanted to meet the cops, and pulled over to get the number off the sign so he could give an exact location. When he got out of his truck, he spotted Martin. They exchanged words, and Martin attacked, knocking him down and beating his head on the ground. They struggled for a few seconds, but Martin was getting the best of it. Zimmerman, fearing for his life, drew his weapon and fired once, from a few inches away. Martin died almost at once. Zimmerman rolled Martin off him, leaned over to check if he was dead, and almost at once the cops arrived.
And that’s the same story Zimmerman has been telling all along.
Is every word of it true? I dunno. But it is backed up by evidence. Are the other parts of Zimmerman’s testimony true, if they aren’t backed up? Doesn’t matter, because [list=a][li]he doesn’t have to prove them true, the State has to prove they’re not, and [*]most of the details being nitpicked in this monster of a thread aren’t relevant to a determination of guilt.[/list]I doubt we will ever know if Martin really said “You got me” when he was shot. Who cares? It doesn’t make any difference if he did or not. Zimmerman said he was looking for a house number, and another time he said he was looking for a street sign. Big whoop - he misspoke one time or other. [/li]
Zimmerman is not too bright. No duh. If he had any sense, he would do what you do in a situation like that, guilty or not - lawyer up, and keep your trap shut. But he didn’t - and here we are.
Regards,
Shodan
If you have a comment on what esmerelda posted, then you should reply to her posts. I just making a comment because Honesty insisted the Martin was using a Bluetooth headset when it is known that Martin was using a wired headset, which makes you comment a non sequitur.
He didn’t ignore the dispatcher instructions. He followed them.
And your comment explains that Martin was trying to talk on the phone in the 7/11, rather than acting “tweaky” and “disengaged” as esmerelda speculated. Sequitur.
His actions say otherwise.
No what it means that you don’t know how to cut and paste a link instead of posting non sequitur responses.
Or it might mean I don’t give a fuck if you get butthurt over trivial bullshit. Seriously, get some big girl panties.