48, I read somewhere. That’d make him 206lb on the night. Does that seem so unlikely? If anyone has evidence to the contrary, I’ll happily revise my figures.
I believe it because that’s what all the eyewitnesses say - Martin on top of Zimmerman during the fight.
What you are seeming to believe is that Zimmerman allowed himself to be beaten up for about a minute, sustaining injuries and screaming, holding back his superior fighting skills in order not to injure Martin in any way, in order to murder Martin in cold blood at the end of that minute and pretend to be a victim.
Is this what passes off as critical thinking these days?
27 pounds lighter, if my math is right. And two inches taller.
What do you know about what I know about street-fighting? Nothing, is the answer. I have actually been in fights that don’t involve keyboards. I also know that people don’t get accepted as club security if they don’t even know the basics of creating a “fence” between them and a potential attacker. You are asking me to believe that a person with experience on doors completely forgot the basics when TM announced his presence, and I’m not buying it.
So, you accept that had TM been throwing punches at Z’s head in a frantic struggle, he’d likely have got more injuries? Or is your suggestion that every following punch landed flush on Z’s nose, but somehow caused no more correspondig marks? Or are you finally conceding that he was most likely only hit once with one of TM’s fists?
Just did.
Do you know why they have weight classes in full contact combat sports?
Sure. As a general principle, weight is an advantage.
Undoubtedly the 27 pound advantage Zimmerman held over Martin was not trivial.
But it’s also fair to say that whatever advantage the 27 pounds gave him… it wasn’t 50 pounds. True?
New York Times:
However it started, witnesses described to the 911 dispatcher what resulted: the neighborhood watch coordinator, 5 foot 9 and 170 pounds, and the visitor, 6 foot 1 and 150, wrestling on the ground.
This is wrong. As I posted a long-ass time ago, Zimmerman’s weight, as noted in his medical chart a day after the shooting, was 204 lbs. I’m fine if you don’t want to take my word for it, but the information is in the document dump and it’s cited in this monstrosity of a thread.
Acknowledged. But unless Z was just lay there pathetically like a beached whale, it shouldn’t have been easy for a minimally experienced fighter to totally negate that weight advantage, do you agree?
ps. wait, wait… I take back my “acknowledged” if there’s a dispute.
Looks like they got a few details wrong.
Right you are.
OK, I’m prepared to accept that record as accurate.
“Nearly fifty pounds,” is correct.
Of course, I can’t see much logic in saying that the report was accurate on that line, but inaccurate as to his broken nose. It seems to me that if you advance the report as accurate, you can’t then turn around and attack it.
Judging by the police videos right after the shooting, that’s the slimmest 5’7" 204-lb person I have ever seen.
His weight was confirmed by measurement using a machine specifically designed for such purpose. Was Z’s nose ever X-rayed?
He’s 5ft 9 and if you were paying attention during his recent court appearance, you’ll see he’s nearer to 240lbs now… and that’s just his big melon head.
Depending on source, 5’8" or 5’7" but who’s counting, right? Your own source says 5’7.5"
Sure… George Zimmerman's Reenactment of Trayvon Martin Shooting - ABC News - does that look like an obese guy to you? The guy questioning him definitely is.
Again -
[QUOTE=Shodan]
I accept those aspects of Zimmerman’s description of the fight that are backed up by evidence…
there is only evidence that Martin punched him once.
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Which word didn’t you understand?
Look, we can all tell that you are not very good at understanding the evidence. But if you can’t understand what is written about the evidence, what do you hope to accomplish?
Regards,
Shodan
This is cute, but I’ve never said the report was inaccurate. Only that we can’t use the ICD coding as evidence of a definitive diagnosis when 1) he never was examined by professional capable of making that diagnosis and 2) Zimmerman’s condition was qualified as “likely” in the notes. This has nothing to do with accuracy and all to do with knowing how to interpret information contained in a medical report.
But nice try.
Cite?
Regards,
Shodan
So, was Z lying when he said he was punched several times at least? If even he isn’t sure how often he was hit, why are you so convinced it happened at all and that it isn’t either a figment of his active imagination, or an outright lie? Are you really ready to write off a teen’s death based on a scratch a couple of milimetres across?
I’m not citing anything that is in the document dump. Zimmerman was refered to a ENT doctor.